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Will_L
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: Carol_Hill]
      #1704826 - 08/09/16 10:27 AM (67.45.115.158)

Been renting villas with friends, chartering boats with friends, owned a charter boat inviting guests, own a condo where often have guests..since 1980s. Never heard of bringing food that is not for everybody. This whole thing makes little sense.

Such vacations are not for everyone ..if I could access Bill H's old story of the Charter from hell on here it might shed light.

A Villa or a charter is a unique chance to share, accomodations, food, drink and good times between unrelated people for an extended time. Usually it works sometimes it doesn't.

I see sometimes people that seem to want to share expenses with other couples so they can have that fancy property or fancy boat for their dream vacation. It is not so much they want to share the accomodations, the food, the good times together..but as a means for each unit to experience the place.

To believe you lost friendship of 3 couples because the chef didn't parcel out the meat properly or that ruined your entire vacation over 30 pounds of meat...doesn't add up.

The warm, not hot water issue is strange in that in a letter to charter company was the only complaint against the captain. If he were Captain Bly there should be in more than a week's interaction a squawk list that would make him sound worse than what each of our presidential candidates are saying about each other. Did he take them everywhere they wanted to go? Do what they wanted to do? I just don't believe he would not start the engines if requested.
Neither the chef or the captains actions would have caused true friendships to have been ruined by the participants on board.
Indeed it would likely have made them stronger. I took an offshore course years ago with four aboard plus the instructor. He was a real jerk of the highest order. It actually brought the crew closer together and though his attitude made for a miserable 4 days, we had a great time laughing at the pub when it was over.
Chartering or renting Accomodations with unrelated people is not for everyone. It is best if there is a good fit well established with common interest in doing it, not being "sold" or talked into going. It requires that everyone knows things might go wrong and are comfortable spending the money with no buyers remorse during or after.


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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: RatmansWife]
      #1704842 - 08/09/16 12:14 PM (12.69.50.210)

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having packed 5 pounds of bacon for 2 people




Don't Think it was Kosher or halal.

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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: bviboater]
      #1704856 - 08/09/16 04:31 PM (70.49.187.193)

ahhh.... good point - that surprisingly skipped by me

perhaps ... exquisite non-GMO
what do they call that? free-range?

having been there.... I rather have GMO than free-range beef
but, that's just me... and trying to save these original version teeth
but... 'nuther story - 'nuther day

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GTcapt
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: CGB]
      #1705015 - 08/11/16 07:12 PM (108.77.24.25)

Love the way this post has gone. Some really nice BOATERS with personal boats much nicer than what they chartered had a bad experience. I know this because they are all on my dock and all raft up every weekend. I was there at the same time as said in another post, what they had as a crew is what i told them to expect! They should have bare boated but chose to sit back and enjoy. I always provision on island with the charter company, 15 times thus far. The meat they brought down can not be bought on island, no way near the quality. GMO, ABF, Organic.... who cares, they paid a lot to bring it and even more to have a CHEF, sure, cook it. I am in the food business with a chefs degree, CEC. I doubt if their chef had a dishwashers degree BUT, they paid for a dream vacation and basically got the shaft, twin screw in my opinion. I have been on TTOL since 2000 and just read and rarely if ever respond but, please members, understand that some people for their first or second time who pay for a crewed boat watch the Bravo show about yachting and expect at least a good time. Not toasted bagels for breakfast and cold showers. I am not defending them as they don't need it, just stating a fact and telling you that people I know well and enjoy every weekend did not get what they paid for. I met Capt Ron and Chef dishwasher at Norman Island for a drink on their boat. Both were laying on the couch doing nothing. and They got good tips. I would have tossed them on the dingy and a bottle of water for the run home:) My .02

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GeorgeC1
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: GTcapt]
      #1705028 - 08/11/16 08:37 PM (108.213.0.118)

I think the mistake made was trying to get a crewed boat experience on a bareboat. In that same price range they could have booked a fully crewed cat in that size range. The one cost posted I suspect was a Moorings 58 which is a substantially larger boat. A fully crewed M4800 can be had in the 17-19000 range in the summer.
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StormJib
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: GeorgeC1]
      #1705032 - 08/11/16 09:00 PM (50.191.95.8)

The Moorings Crewed 4800 max's out at six (6) passengers. When you want to make the jump past 6 passengers with a fully crewed experience the price and effort jumps way up. Cooking and caring for 8 adults three meals a day 24/7 is a lot of work for 9 days. Before you get to I brought my own food times two (2) including 5lbs of bacon for someone to fry up.

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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: GeorgeC1]
      #1705034 - 08/11/16 09:38 PM (50.163.86.0)

GTcapt, I think most of us are just surprised that these issues would ruin a vacation or friendship. And I think many of us are also surprised that someone would bring meat and not just bring it for the entire group.

But I also think George has it right - should have done a fully crewed boat - that is a very different experience.

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Will_L
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: maytrix]
      #1705036 - 08/11/16 10:05 PM (67.45.112.220)

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maytrix said:
GTcapt, I think most of us are just surprised that these issues would ruin a vacation or friendship. And I think many of us are also surprised that someone would bring meat and not just bring it for the entire group. "

Absolutely.. There is more between the members chartering this boat than there likely is between charterers and crew. Note..the claim was that the group never spoke to each other again after the "travesty" of cooking the poster's meat for "everyone including the crew" . Seems quite obvious that's when pettiness between the couples hit the fan..,likely the hot water is a red herring. Love t hear the captains story. What possible gain for him not to run engines? Why would his intransigence if true...do anthing but bind the couples together. Nope, not buying

If all three of these couples have boats worth more than a tricked out Lagoon 52..,worth about 1.2 million $ ..why the big fuss over 30# of meat and why the "vacation of a lifetime" if they each own million $ plus boats??? Doesn't add up. 5 to 6 grand to charter wouldn't pay a months payment on their boat loan if had one if true, let alone maintenance dockage etc.. . The personal boat they own is "much better" than 1.2 mil which means their boats are worth 200 x what they each paid for the trip. These then would be extremely high net worth individuals...who are flummoxed over a few steaks and 5 pounds of bacon? never to speak to each other again ? Sorry think there is more to story ...has to be.

Buyers remorse often leads one to blame others for their own mistakes.
I don't even know anyone who has chartered from this outfit, but don't feel they or the crew are getting a fair shake on this site when the complaints seem to not add up to a terrible experience and three couples not speaking after sharing food meant for only certain guests. More we have not heard went on I would bet everything.

But I also think George has it right - should have done a fully crewed boat - that is a very different experience.




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Chriskal
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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: maytrix]
      #1705039 - 08/11/16 10:46 PM (64.126.70.11)

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maytrix said:
GTcapt, I think most of us are just surprised that these issues would ruin a vacation or friendship. And I think many of us are also surprised that someone would bring meat and not just bring it for the entire group.

But I also think George has it right - should have done a fully crewed boat - that is a very different experience.




That's pretty much the way I see it as well. I can't fathom why any of the problems described in the original post would ruin a friendship. Makes zero sense.


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Re: The Catamaran company ,charter nightmare [Re: Chriskal]
      #1705050 - 08/12/16 08:15 AM (75.190.176.202)

What a crazy story without all the facts. Probably should be on Bravo. Maybe "Boaters of Atlanta". Embarrassing how much I have enjoyed it.

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