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Kmon
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: tradewinds]
      #1738634 - 07/14/17 07:51 PM (24.253.138.8)

Then there's also this!

http://bvi.gov.vg/node/8052


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StormJib
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: polaris]
      #1738635 - 07/14/17 07:51 PM (71.224.71.34)

When you do the full and complete math from home to destination and back for all cost. This fee is insignificant. The BVI did the whole math problem and thus will be just the beginning. The key to BVI revenue growth is the same number or even fewer visitors spending more money per day in the BVI. Sadly that will mean cutting the USVI travelers out of the formula.

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sail2wind
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: polaris]
      #1738636 - 07/14/17 08:03 PM (184.166.21.62)

Quote:

polaris said:
The way I read that is if you charter from a USVI company, for instance, and check in to BVI it is $16/person/day!!!





I'm pretty sure those are the BVI rates


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tradewinds
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: sail2wind]
      #1738637 - 07/14/17 08:51 PM (99.82.249.196)

Quote:

sail2wind said:
Quote:

polaris said:
The way I read that is if you charter from a USVI company, for instance, and check in to BVI it is $16/person/day!!!





I'm pretty sure those are the BVI rates




BVI rates are $6/person per day. USVI rates checking into the BVI would be $16/person per day.


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GeorgeC1
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: StormJib]
      #1738657 - 07/15/17 07:11 AM (108.213.0.118)

My local politicians keep telling me that all the taxes increases they push are also insignificant however those insignificant increases have tripled my property taxes over the last 20 years.

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CaptainJay
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: StormJib]
      #1738706 - 07/15/17 04:20 PM (65.113.110.79)

Quote:

StormJib said:
When you do the full and complete math from home to destination and back for all cost. This fee is insignificant. The BVI did the whole math problem and thus will be just the beginning. The key to BVI revenue growth is the same number or even fewer visitors spending more money per day in the BVI. Sadly that will mean cutting the USVI travelers out of the formula.




Actually at $10 a day more per person from the USVI. $6 BVI based $16 us based. Take that over seven days that's seventy dollars more per week per person. The ferry costs $80 round trip per person plus the $25 departure fee. It is still the same cost or less to charter from the USVI if you factor in all the costs. All they did was wipe out the savings that went into effect before.

When you consider a lot of people have to burn a day or two in a hotel to make the transfers. It is still less expensive to charter in St Thomas when you tally up the entire costs. Airfare , ferry, cabs, provisioning, hotels and lost time all have to be factored in to make a sound decision.

Plus if you spend a few more days around St John, Magen's Bay, Water Island etc where there are no cruising fees then the costs are actually cheaper. Or you can go to the SVI's and spend no money on customs and clear in on the phone.

This tax is short sighted it will help the government coffers in the short run but will have an adverse effect on the economy on many levels. I talked to a friend of mine today that runs one of the largest day trip companies in the USVI's. He said the same thing that most of my other friends in this business have said. With ABI Beach Bar, Water Island, Pizza Pi and the national park in St John. They are encouraging more and more people to stay in USVI waters. They lay out the costs in both time and money to go to the BVI's and a lot of that money is staying on this side of the line.

Jay

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http://livedelifeusvi.blogspot.com/

Edited by CaptainJay (07/15/17 04:29 PM)


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LocalSailor
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: CaptainJay]
      #1738709 - 07/15/17 05:45 PM (65.113.105.31)

Don't forget Magens Bay beach and Bar or even Hull Bay Hideaway, the quiet
anchorage at Brewers Beach or another option at Lindberg Bay with 2 beach bars.
There is easily a weeks worth of cruising just staying in the USVI between STJ STT and the surrounding cays.
Clear waters, plenty of snorkeling opportunities, great trolling ground offshore and easy provisioning at stateside quality -- a much different vacation than a BVI beach bar tour, less crowded, quieter anchorages, no C&I and the same winds and fine sailing.
The BVI is out pricing themselves, for daytrips particularly, and it will eventually diminish the crowds so it might well be a better destination down the road - a lot of factors will have to fall in place but BVI Charter Companies will have to lead the effort to keep it a premier charter ground.


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aarpskier
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: CaptainJay]
      #1738712 - 07/15/17 07:22 PM (97.91.61.135)

Quote:

CaptainJay said:
It is still the same cost or less to charter from the USVI if you factor in all the costs. All they did was wipe out the savings that went into effect before.

This tax is short sighted it will help the government coffers in the short run but will have an adverse effect on the economy on many levels.
Jay




Agreed. On an 8-day charter starting June 14 out of Hodges Creek with a crew of 11, we paid $66 in BVI cruising fees, but $1,000 in round trip ferry fares. And we had to endure C&I in Road Town. After August 1, the cruising tax for that trip would be $528 for a BVI - based boat, plus the $1,000 in ferry fares, or roughly $1,500. Or, we could avoid the ferry and Road Town C&I by chartering out of St Thomas, and pay a BVI cruising tax of $1,408. While the captain sanely cleared the crew in and out at West End, they could spend the $100 "savings" on painkillers! Next trip is in October from St Thomas to the SVIs. Love the BVIs, but after 5 visits, this new levy is another reason to move on.


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LianeLeTendre
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: sail2wind]
      #1738713 - 07/15/17 07:48 PM (65.48.219.102)

Sail2wind ... the price for the same lagoon 450 with 10 people for 10 nights in August (or any other time of the year) out of the USVI would cost: 10 people x $16.00 x 10 nights = $1,600.00


The various Government fees are now:

BVI Cruising Tax - Effective August 1, 2017

Collected by the charter company or yacht operator

$6.00 per person per day for all BVI based charter yachts.
$16.00 per person per day for all foreign yachts.

BVI Departure Tax:

Included in the price of your airline/ferry ticket.

$20.00 per person

BVI Environmental Levy - Effective September 1, 2017

Payable at Port of Entry

The monies collected will be used to facilitate environmental protection and improvement, climate change, and the maintenance and development of tourist sites and other tourism related activities.

$10.00 per person.

Children under 2 exempt ... as are residents and belongers.

National Parks Trust Mooring Fees - BVI Based Boats

Collected by the charter company or yacht operator

$25.00 per boat/week (4 persons)
$35.00 per boat/week (6 persons)
$45.00 per boat/week (8 persons)
$55.00 per boat/week (10 persons)
Each added person pays $5.00/week

Foreign Based Charter Boats:

$50.00 per boat/week (4 persons)
$70.00 per boat/week (6 persons)
$90.00 per boat/week (8 persons)
$110.00 per boat/week (10 persons)
Each added person pays $5.00/week

What this amounts to for a BVI Based boat for 10 nights with 8 people aboard would be:

BVI Cruising Tax @ .......... $480.00 Collected by your charter company
BVI Departure Tax @ ......... $160.00 Collected by airline or ferry company
BVI Environmental Levy @ .... $80.00 Collected at Port of Entry
National Parks Trust @ ...... $45.00 Collected by your charter company

Total Government fees = ..... $765.00

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This obviously does not include the cost for overnight moorings or dockage as those are fees charged by privately owned companies.


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sail2wind
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Re: Cruising Tax Increase is now official - August 1 [Re: LianeLeTendre]
      #1738714 - 07/15/17 08:08 PM (184.166.21.62)

Although we have not been to the BVI in almost 3 years, I get the attraction. The convenience of the mooring ball and short dinghy to dinner. We love St.John but always eat on the boat. It is not easy or convenient to dine out from Maho or Salt Pond (one of our favorites). In St.Thomas you pretty much have to anchor which some charter people are not comfortable anchoring. We got tired of the BVI fees, service charges, and paying $30 for a piece of chicken. USVI dining pricing is more in line with U.S.

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