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polaris
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Protecting charter boats?
      #1743108 - 09/06/17 12:27 PM (71.244.231.169)

While praying for the people on BVI to be safe, am wondering what all the charter companies have done to "save the boats?" Is there room to move them to hurricane holes? Can they keep them safe in their own harbors? Without floating docks can they protect from surge?

I remember when TTM Belize actually lost crew while trying to move boats ahead of a storm.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: polaris]
      #1743113 - 09/06/17 12:48 PM (71.121.163.73)

Most of the pilings on floating docks are under 6ft. then they are "boats" often teatherd to holding anchors....not good. Majority run to hurricane holes. very few get on the hard.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: polaris]
      #1743114 - 09/06/17 12:51 PM (98.101.85.2)

I know our boat with Marine Max can either be on land, in hurricane hole or tied up in their marina. They were done several days ago. I'm not sure about protection or what will happen. Things can always be replaced. Wondering how our friends are holding up...

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: polaris]
      #1743115 - 09/06/17 12:53 PM (108.213.0.118)

I don't think there are any givens for a storm of this size. All we can do is wait and see.
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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: polaris]
      #1743117 - 09/06/17 12:53 PM (81.132.68.180)

Nolan... Most of them are moved to Paraquita Bay. Someone posted a link in an earlier post to the arrangements for each of the companies.

This is the first time I am truly glad I no longer own a boat in the BVI.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: polaris]
      #1743119 - 09/06/17 12:55 PM (67.45.113.159)

There will be a lot of losses. The sheer numbers of boats preclude getting them all in the safest shelters like paraquita bay. For a " normal" storm the south side of Tortola/ Virgin Gorda would be protected. Unfortunately the eyeball swallowed up Virgin Gorda and a good part of Tortola meaning they will be getting those 225 mph winds on north side wall..and then 140 from the south with the surge that brings. There will be tremendous losses I would bet. And those on the hard are likely not secured for eyewall velocity of this storm.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: polaris]
      #1743131 - 09/06/17 01:42 PM (71.224.66.174)

Great effort and great planning going back to Charlie Cary and 1973. There simply is not enough time, manpower, line, and spaces to protect the boats against surge and wave action. The only chance to survive the combinations of surge and wave actions is large space and many long lines. As soon as the boats are exposed to surf like wave action cleats, winches pull out and all kinds of gear busts. The boats end up piled up like dominoes. You can already see examples from St. Martin.

None of the bareboats come equipped for storm preparations.


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: Will_L]
      #1743135 - 09/06/17 01:51 PM (99.82.249.196)

The first photos from Paraquita Bay are sickening. The boats are piled up on each other.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: tradewinds]
      #1743137 - 09/06/17 02:00 PM (71.224.66.174)

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tradewinds said:
The first photos from Paraquita Bay are sickening. The boats are piled up on each other.




There should not be any surge on there yet? Here is the 2017 seating chart. Those are supposed to be the lucky boats to keep the industry open until the insurance companies, banks, and builders catch up?


http://www.bvimarineassociation.com/downloads/1607PARAQUITA%20BASE%20PLAN%2026%20Jun17.pdf

Edited by StormJib (09/06/17 02:03 PM)


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: tradewinds]
      #1743138 - 09/06/17 02:02 PM (108.12.183.90)

Quote:

tradewinds said:
The first photos from Paraquita Bay are sickening. The boats are piled up on each other.




link or source? thanks


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: onlymedication]
      #1743141 - 09/06/17 02:09 PM (109.176.254.30)

FB: BVI Abroad shows several photos of destruction in Paraquita Bay. Moorings boats not too bad at base, but wait for the change of wind direction. Some destruction at Village Cay Marina.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: salica]
      #1743148 - 09/06/17 02:25 PM (108.12.183.90)

Could this possibly be real? Goodness gracious...

https://twitter.com/jeremyskitchen/status/905493723190059008


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: onlymedication]
      #1743151 - 09/06/17 02:34 PM (76.19.126.165)

Wow.. that is not good. I have always wondered about having them all tied up like they do - one goes, another goes and eventually I would think it is a domino effect once you get a few loose that is more pulling on the rest.

Hope everyone stays safe.. boats can be replaced.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: onlymedication]
      #1743155 - 09/06/17 02:37 PM (108.12.183.90)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...eater&ifg=1

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: onlymedication]
      #1743167 - 09/06/17 03:34 PM (81.157.86.113)

Just sickening to see that. No doubt far worse images to come. Hope everyone has made it through.

...so I'm guessing its going to be a long time before anyone is chartering in the BVI again if the majority of the fleet has been destroyed?


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: Christo]
      #1743185 - 09/06/17 04:42 PM (199.168.151.165)

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Christo said:
Just sickening to see that. No doubt far worse images to come. Hope everyone has made it through.

...so I'm guessing its going to be a long time before anyone is chartering in the BVI again if the majority of the fleet has been destroyed?




There are many, many boats in the BVI. Some will have survived to be buffed out. Sunsail/Moorings alone have a very large global inventory and pipeline of new boats. By the time the real season comes around post Thanksgiving there will certainly be boats to charter. No doubt many things will be different.

White Bay and and a few others will be very crowded!


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: StormJib]
      #1743199 - 09/06/17 05:19 PM (99.82.249.196)

They won't be going to Ivan's because it was destroyed. Not sure how the rest of them fared.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: tradewinds]
      #1743204 - 09/06/17 05:36 PM (64.231.9.249)

Was just moored out front of ivan's in June... yes completely destroyed.

https://www.facebook.com/search/str/bvi%...3NzU4ZTk2In0%3D


I worry about Anegada... the entire north east eye wall was travelling right through it.

BVIs will take a long long time to recover...


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: UncleLuff]
      #1743220 - 09/06/17 06:45 PM (73.29.66.97)

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: UncleLuff]
      #1743221 - 09/06/17 06:46 PM (199.168.151.165)

Someone will be nailing and screwing together beach bars pronto. There is just too much cash in the day trade there. Those that need to eat will get open. The $1250 a night hotel rooms the government craves will take a little longer. The likes of Foxy and Bomba will fill any gaps needed to support the thirsty boats in the meantime.

Now to the Moorings even with all the docks underwater the Moorings dinghys seem ready to get back to work as soon as the wind stops. That may have changed with some of the later breeze out of the south...

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...amp;oe=5A1C4ED5


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: StormJib]
      #1743230 - 09/06/17 07:03 PM (99.114.96.176)

I was watching Foxy's cam until it got really wet then shut off. It was the last working cam in the area, and showed some of the workers getting ready. I really hope they are all ok.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: StormJib]
      #1743308 - 09/06/17 10:51 PM (70.177.22.163)

StormJib, have you seen the pictures of Paraquita Bay and the Moorings docks??? Not much of that mess is going to buff out any time soon. Most of the buffing is gonna be with insurance adjusters.

It is doubtful that Moorings/Sunsail would have more than a couple dozen boats available by Thanksgiving.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: onlymedication]
      #1743321 - 09/06/17 11:37 PM (173.3.82.12)

Here is what we did to do our best to protect Catatonic: https://www.facebook.com/dadelo/videos/10213573873199054/

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: sailaway42]
      #1743349 - 09/07/17 05:03 AM (81.157.86.113)

We received this from Sunsail / Moorings this morning:

"We have suspended charters until mid-September for the moment while we assess the damage.

We will be contacting customers who’s charter have been affected in due course, however we remain hopeful that your charter in January will be unaffected."


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: Christo]
      #1743390 - 09/07/17 08:42 AM (108.213.0.118)

I suspect the Moorings will be able to Salvage about half the boats and have them in charter by 15 Dec. They will also pull boats from other bases to the BVI. It will however take years for the industry to recover. That will be devasting to local employment.
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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: GeorgeC1]
      #1743395 - 09/07/17 08:49 AM (76.19.126.165)

I'm sure insurance also won't just want to total them all either, so that makes sense. If they aren't sunk or have serious structural damage, they probably can be repaired.

I wonder what Moorings did with their 58's? That's a lot of money and a lot of windage..

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: maytrix]
      #1743411 - 09/07/17 09:06 AM (174.108.54.67)

I'll be able to give you our personal experience as we are waiting to hear about our boat. Seems like it is going to be a really long process.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: EllenS]
      #1743424 - 09/07/17 09:33 AM (76.19.126.165)

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EllenS said:
I'll be able to give you our personal experience as we are waiting to hear about our boat. Seems like it is going to be a really long process.




Closest we've come to dealing with something like this was after Hurricane Irene, we lost a house we had bought 3 months earlier in Vermont. Got pushed right off its foundation and filled with 3-6" of mud and structure too damaged to salvage anything so it was a total loss. Insurance first gave an estimate of 60-70% of the value since flood insurance is based on depreciated value.. Since we had only bought it 3 months earlier, we argued it hadn't depreciated yet.. fortunately we said the right things and got full payout. Happened in August and we got paid in December I think.

I have not idea what boat insurance is like, but hopefully it would be similar, although my initial feeling is it is probably a bit more drawn out.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: EllenS]
      #1743458 - 09/07/17 10:48 AM (199.168.151.165)

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EllenS said:
I'll be able to give you our personal experience as we are waiting to hear about our boat. Seems like it is going to be a really long process.




The banks likely will not wait or want to wait. The long standard industry process is for the underwriters and/or the bank to put a professional marine surveyor on the boat. That surveyor will document the damage and loss in very short order. The best practice but not required is for the owner(s) to put their own independent surveyor on the boat.

No two marine insurance policies are created equal. The variables are too long to list and are generally even more complicated in a named storm.

One worse case, is the bank and underwriter determine the hull is totaled or beyond practical repair with an insurance payment capable off paying of the loan but little or nothing more wiping out any owner's down payment, equity, or perceived equity. In almost every case of severe damage the finance partner will be focused on getting the loan paid off before the loan is delinquent and the moment they have a surveyors report that declares the collateral worthless or compromised.

Anything that takes more than buffing out will be very expensive on a good day in islands. Boats in a non assembly line are very, very expensive to fix.

Any experienced professional marine surveyor should be able to easily explain the marine industry practices here. Maybe on first step is to determine if the charter operator has already engaged independent professional survey resources on your behalf. Does the person writing the report(s) work for the owner, operator, finance partner, or underwriter? History shows at this point the bank always gets paid first.

Edited by StormJib (09/07/17 12:12 PM)


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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: StormJib]
      #1743472 - 09/07/17 11:20 AM (98.101.85.2)

Thanks for the info. Good questions to ask whenever we can get through.

Our minimum plan is to go down if we are not totaled to see for ourselves. Now I have a better idea of what's to come.

Thanks,
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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: StormJib]
      #1743489 - 09/07/17 11:49 AM (184.3.194.95)

Wish everyone all the best in recouping their losses. Hopefully, many have gap insurance that covers the difference in what is owed to the bank and the replacement cost (would include dollars invested in down payment and additional items on boat and loss of income)? Not sure that exists, but I've often thought that I would want that assurance (insurance) before buying a boat and putting her in charter - catastrophic losses are indeed devastating. Again, hope all will be back on their boats this year and that the locals will receive the support they need to rebuild. This is so sad!

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: maytrix]
      #1743523 - 09/07/17 01:11 PM (108.17.94.59)

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maytrix said:
I'm sure insurance also won't just want to total them all either, so that makes sense. If they aren't sunk or have serious structural damage, they probably can be repaired.

I wonder what Moorings did with their 58's? That's a lot of money and a lot of windage..





New photos show most or all of Mooring's 5800 totally destroyed or severely damaged. One is upside down across the docks.

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Re: Protecting charter boats? [Re: Schwendy]
      #1743531 - 09/07/17 01:34 PM (199.168.151.165)

The new wide flat floating condo we call cats may end up redefining hurricane prep. They peeled up like a tin roof taking out everything down wind of them.

[image]https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=21432760_10213921330377967_6105221953041374547_n.jpg[/image]

https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=21432760_10213921330377967_6105221953041374547_n.jpg


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