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bvilovercgb
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The Logistics of rebuilding.
      #1744938 - 09/11/17 09:02 AM (70.54.1.189)

How do we go about the rebuilding process? Just getting rid of the rubble is one thing, then how does one get the much need materials to the island and up to the rebuilding site. If one has lost "only the roof", there is still much water damage inside the building. How long will it take to restore power to the island? I suspect that a lot of foreign nationals will leave as there is no place for them. And there is probably not enough skilled labour in Tortola from local, to start the process. It just boggles the mind.

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StormJib
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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: bvilovercgb]
      #1744966 - 09/11/17 11:08 AM (71.224.66.174)

That is why the US Federal government would hire a prime contractor with deep project management skills to get anything critical done in a timely manner. Big players like Shaw or Halliburton are needed to get the power grid and public water safe and operational. Funding and cash will be a major issue from the material importers to the private local homes. Only a professional massive project operator can unboggle.

Most Americans take for granted the consortium of utility trucks that are programmed to show up at every US storm. A Halliburton would already have a barge load of crews on the way with another barge full of poles and wire.


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bvilovercgb
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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: StormJib]
      #1744972 - 09/11/17 11:37 AM (70.54.1.189)

I read that the Brit are sending a large crew of these people, now if the materials arrive in a timely manner as you say, Stormjib, one can only hope. A friend said that her pool is leaking, and is wondering if her sewage and cistern are intact. The house has only minimal damage (a couple of windows) but furniture is wet,and people and animals have sought shelter...in need of petrol, and propane by tomorrow...

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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: bvilovercgb]
      #1744980 - 09/11/17 11:52 AM (198.206.244.4)

First thing the BVI govt. needs to do is suspend their draconian worker rules. If I understand the law in place currently the owners of property are not allowed to do any work - including cleaning up - without a work permit. If you're trying to boot strap from where they are now that just has to be halted in favor of encouraging as much incoming labor as possible to rebuild. Note that I am not saying the work should be unregulated - rebuilding poorly is not a solution. But remove the red tape.

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lonewolf1977
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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: agrimsrud]
      #1744984 - 09/11/17 12:16 PM (65.188.173.189)

Totally agree, agrimsrud! Take help where you can get it. I think that there will be an issue on where volunteers can actually be put up each night....at least for a while. Did anyone else see the eco-tents in Cinnamon Bay that appear to be untouched??? Maybe they should put some of those up as a temporary housing situation.

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StormJib
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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: agrimsrud]
      #1744986 - 09/11/17 12:27 PM (199.168.151.165)

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agrimsrud said:
First thing the BVI govt. needs to do is suspend their draconian worker rules. If I understand the law in place currently the owners of property are not allowed to do any work - including cleaning up - without a work permit. If you're trying to boot strap from where they are now that just has to be halted in favor of encouraging as much incoming labor as possible to rebuild. Note that I am not saying the work should be unregulated - rebuilding poorly is not a solution. But remove the red tape.




Yet another reason why the governments hire professional prime contractors. Power, water, roads, bridges, the hospital, even the school must be done immediately. The industrial qualified prime contractors will import ALL the labor to start. Maybe even to blue tarp every building on the island. Any disaster declaration should allow for the suspension of rules. The big contractors will not sign the deal without it. Once the dust settles the large primes will start interviewing local talent that is capable of presenting themselves for an interview of their skills. Over time where is makes sense to complete the projects the quality prime contractors will hire qualified local labor and talent. But, the lack of local labor and talent will not slow the critical public safety infrastructure projects. That is why you hire these massive players with deep project management skills and even longer Rolodexes of talent.

Just because an island did things one way with some success in the past does not translate into success in 2017 to 2018 and beyond. Before this storm the hospitality industry was already very competitive. These storms and events will make many rethink and relook at options like never before.


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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: StormJib]
      #1745001 - 09/11/17 01:25 PM (70.49.187.173)

Methinks the planet has pro's already thinking/working this thru - and each of them a bunch sharper and more efficient than my mind could be
Apparently the UK has already landed & deployed several hundred able-bodied men - with scores more on their way

The USA has hands full with their own issues in the USVI, Puerto Rico, and Florida... we'll soon see how quickly that moves towards solution

As for cleaning up one's own property - there are no restrictive rules - This isn't Florida where if you are a foreign owner - you can't lift a screwdriver on your own home without someone reporting you. On Tortola - nobody will be scoffing at Visitor/Guests helping their hosts clean up after something like this... we're talking friendly help... not paychek... right?


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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: CGB]
      #1745020 - 09/11/17 02:01 PM (199.168.151.165)

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CGB said:
Methinks the planet has pro's already thinking/working this thru - and each of them a bunch sharper and more efficient than my mind could be
Apparently the UK has already landed & deployed several hundred able-bodied men - with scores more on their way

The USA has hands full with their own issues in the USVI, Puerto Rico, and Florida... we'll soon see how quickly that moves towards solution

As for cleaning up one's own property - there are no restrictive rules - This isn't Florida where if you are a foreign owner - you can't lift a screwdriver on your own home without someone reporting you. On Tortola - nobody will be scoffing at Visitor/Guests helping their hosts clean up after something like this... we're talking friendly help... not paychek... right?




The BVI Government claims 100 utility lineman are on their way from other islands to restore power. Not details on the dates or who from where. Caribbean Electrical Utilities Association (CARILEC). London so far is only sending soldiers and police for civil order and emergency relief shelters. Food lines will only get you so far....


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JasonHelmbrecht
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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: CGB]
      #1745026 - 09/11/17 02:12 PM (12.130.119.134)

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CGB said:
As for cleaning up one's own property - there are no restrictive rules - This isn't Florida where if you are a foreign owner - you can't lift a screwdriver on your own home without someone reporting you. On Tortola - nobody will be scoffing at Visitor/Guests helping their hosts clean up after something like this... we're talking friendly help... not paychek... right?




Haha - are you serious? I thought you were local to Tortola. When we purchased property on Tortola we were given a huge list of restrictions and spent years managing the red tape to be able to work on the property. It's possible the BVI Govt has better things to do right now or more likely no inspectors to actually check but the rules do not allow work without a work permit. Just like boat owners are not allowed to work on their own boats.


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Re: The Logistics of rebuilding. [Re: agrimsrud]
      #1745030 - 09/11/17 02:31 PM (50.71.125.93)

You are allowed to do work on your own property but I believe there were some rules introduced about foreign nationals doing work on their own boats.

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