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jphart
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Costa route and speed led to the errors [Re: Temery]
      #1377594 - 01/28/12 04:57 PM (76.18.234.122)

As usual the "Lame-stream Media" has missed most of the facts in this case. (Took 'em a week to just properly pronounce Costa! Prior to the incident the media and 99 percent of Costa cruisers couldn't have identified Costa's parent company, and now the media leads the stories as a "Carnival ship")

Anyway, this looks very much like human error, and thus the blame has to sit with the captain.

This link has AIS data with a voice-over from an expert:
http://vimeo.com/gcaptain/costa-concordia

14 minutes long, but worth the effort if you want to know the facts.

Pay attention to the time-lines from the AIS data. Lots of time for an orderly muster.

Going too fast, turned too late, tried to adjust, hit the rock. Simple physics unfortunately.

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JPH
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bbuchanan
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Re: Cruise ship tragedy at least 3 dead [Re: Twanger]
      #1378153 - 01/30/12 10:55 AM (97.115.238.250)

Interesting recreation.

Concordia Nautical Recreation

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onahulvey
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Re: Cruise ship tragedy at least 3 dead [Re: Flotsam]
      #1420877 - 06/11/12 02:02 AM (64.79.103.206)

As noted above, drills conducted under ideal conditions are next to worthless for actually preparing passengers and crew to deal with real emergencies. That said, designing and carrying out effective and realistic drills would require a great deal of the passengers time as well as undoubtedly scaring the hell out of them in the process.

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PelicanPirate
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Re: Cruise ship tragedy at least 3 dead [Re: Carol_Hill]
      #1433491 - 08/06/12 01:28 AM (107.9.2.207)

As a frequent Princess cruiser, we are accustomed to the drill shortly after leaving port and their usual recording "we have technology that precludes the need for a rollcall at the muster station". For our recent cruise out of Venice to Barcelona (a repeat journey), the drill came before port and they scanned each card at the muster station. For those folks who did not show up, they got a letter requiring them to show up at 7am the next morning at the muster station for life jacket training. We heard a few who were ticked. Good for Princess (also owned by Costa). I assume all lines are taking it quite serious as you never know.

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Carol_HillAdministrator
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Re: Cruise ship tragedy at least 3 dead [Re: PelicanPirate]
      #1433510 - 08/06/12 08:22 AM (173.101.2.138)

That is surprising, but I think a good idea. . And Princess is not owned by Costa. I presume you meant to say that Princess was also owned by Carnival.

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