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Once again you sum up my thinking nicely. There was never any verifiable information to the effect that the resort was on a path to bankruptcy; there are no public financial statements. In my opinion, this is the type of rumor that a business starts by itself, in order to justify delays in paying bills and reductions in member services. If business was slow in the beginning, it could be chalked up to poor or nonexistent marketing, in my opinion. They never really marketed nudists as a group, certainly never to the extent that they have marketed swingers, "play" rooms, and now their time share sales. And they do nothing to get local business, people who live on the property or nearby and who could be there every day. I agree that a bankruptcy might not necessarily be bad. In fact, they've alienated so many people that a change in management might actually increase business all by itself.
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Bankruptcy is definitely the worst outcome for the current owners and most debtors. The problem is that the homeowners are not the resort owners, so it should be no surprise that their interests might diverge.
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But, back to the specifics of the "Skinny Dip Sundae", I fail to see why this isn't consistent with the interests of a traditional nudist resort in trying to attract a new generation of future members. I don't see a tie to the "swinger marketing" concerns of (some/many) homeowners.
It certainly isn't as damaging as some of the previous attempts, sure. It's related in the sense that both are attempts to get anybody in, despite how well they might fit in. The specific concern here is that many people (in particular, homeowners) might not be comfortable having random people who aren't nudists walking around their neighborhood when they're nude. When they bought their places, they were assured that this wouldn't happen.
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Once again you sum up my thinking nicely. There was never any verifiable information to the effect that the resort was on a path to bankruptcy; there are no public financial statements. In my opinion, this is the type of rumor that a business starts by itself, in order to justify delays in paying bills and reductions in member services. If business was slow in the beginning, it could be chalked up to poor or nonexistent marketing, in my opinion. They never really marketed nudists as a group, certainly never to the extent that they have marketed swingers, "play" rooms, and now their time share sales. And they do nothing to get local business, people who live on the property or nearby and who could be there every day. I agree that a bankruptcy might not necessarily be bad. In fact, they've alienated so many people that a change in management might actually increase business all by itself.
Perhaps. But there's no question that the resort operation has always been losing money and whoever you talk to has pretty much the same numbers and it's been that way since they've opened. They've been open long enough and have already had a change in management, so I don't think this can still be chalked up to startup.
Yes, I have some things that I'd do differently were I managing it and I'd like to think that they'd be more effective than what's done in the past, but who knows. There's nobody that's an "expert in naturist resort marketing": none have done well enough to earn that title.
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The ownership has not changed. And sadly, "management" has never included a nudist, or any graduate of a hospitality management school.
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RichardKenner
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The ownership has not changed. And sadly, "management" has never included a nudist, or any graduate of a hospitality management school.
Wasn't Tom Landers a nudist? He was the previous (and maybe first) manager, right?
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The ownership has not changed. And sadly, "management" has never included a nudist, or any graduate of a hospitality management school.
Wasn't Tom Landers a nudist? He was the previous (and maybe first) manager, right?
Prior to opening Caliente, Tom Landers had been a member at Paradise Lakes for some time, I believe, so he's most probably a nudist. As for hotel management, didn't I read somewhere that Tom Landers built and managed over 100 hotels in his career?
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Tom Landers is definitely a nudist! He and his wife--sorry, can't remember her name  --were managing Eden Bay (at the time) when we were there. And he said that he had lots of hotel experience, in terms of building hotels, don't know about a hospitality management school.
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Bare
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Caliente is calling "everyone" on their mailing list and offering $399 specials for (long lost?) couples to stay 5 days and 4 nights with spa and other benefits if you listen to a 45 min presentation "about the new resort". Have been called 4-6 times this week.
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Carol_Hill
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Haven't been called this week. We did get a call about 6 months ago, different offer, don't remember what it was..
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RichardKenner
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Caliente is calling "everyone" on their mailing list and offering $399 specials for (long lost?) couples to stay 5 days and 4 nights with spa and other benefits if you listen to a 45 min presentation "about the new resort".
I thought that method of marketing timeshares went out of style decades ago!
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