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ChuckG
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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Anonymous]
      #1666925 - 10/15/15 08:22 AM (73.175.193.65)

We spend winters at Cypress and love it for many reasons (e.g. beautiful grounds and lake, activities, facilities, mix of nice residences, RV park and very nice accommodations for short stays). Just curious, what do you think is in their biz model that is an advantage over the "Land O' Lakes crowd", given similar weather? Maybe proximity to attractions like Disney,etc?

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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: ChuckG]
      #1666971 - 10/15/15 12:39 PM (35.9.30.24)

We make three trips to N resort and really liked it. One of the attractive elements for us was that it was really cheap. We never paid more than $200 a night, one time even travelling in March. Meanwhile, we have yet to go to Hidden Beach because it is so expensive. N failed dismally. We were there once with an occupancy of 4 including us. Yet Hidden Beach seems to be thriving.

I think there is a lot more to it than just simple economics. N had probably the worst marketing in the world. And, they really did a poor job of maintaining the place and making it attractive. If it has not been so cheap we would not have been back.


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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: ChuckG]
      #1667030 - 10/15/15 06:01 PM (24.19.62.68)

CC holds to a family friendly business model which they enforce. Multiple generations of owners have really dedicated themselves to running the Cove. I think those two factors are a major part of their success!

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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: DenitaLC]
      #1671711 - 11/16/15 08:51 AM (64.136.164.2)

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CC holds to a family friendly business model which they enforce. Multiple generations of owners have really dedicated themselves to running the Cove. I think those two factors are a major part of their success!




There in lies the rub. Family oriented vs adult only. I won't vacation at any property that allows children. I think that there is a big division in nudism pertaining to some people's comfort level. The same goes with resorts or beaches with mandatory nudity compared to those that are clothing optional. I prefer resorts or beaches where nudism is mandatory.


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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Anonymous]
      #1671743 - 11/16/15 01:03 PM (23.241.196.135)

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DenitaLC said:
CC holds to a family friendly business model which they enforce. Multiple generations of owners have really dedicated themselves to running the Cove. I think those two factors are a major part of their success!




There in lies the rub. Family oriented vs adult only. I won't vacation at any property that allows children. I think that there is a big division in nudism pertaining to some people's comfort level. The same goes with resorts or beaches with mandatory nudity compared to those that are clothing optional. I prefer resorts or beaches where nudism is mandatory.




I don't view "family friendly" as being necessarily "family oriented". And I feel most comfortable, even as a single male, at venues where people bring their children because I know that people are there to enjoy the freedom of nudity and not to swing or play "adult games". Similarly with optional nudity vs. mandatory nudity - it's because I equate "optional" with freedom and "mandatory" with coercion. I think Club Orient hits just the right note on both counts.

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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Anonymous]
      #1671744 - 11/16/15 01:05 PM (69.138.217.199)

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DenitaLC said:
CC holds to a family friendly business model which they enforce. Multiple generations of owners have really dedicated themselves to running the Cove. I think those two factors are a major part of their success!




There in lies the rub. Family oriented vs adult only. I won't vacation at any property that allows children. I think that there is a big division in nudism pertaining to some people's comfort level. The same goes with resorts or beaches with mandatory nudity compared to those that are clothing optional. I prefer resorts or beaches where nudism is mandatory.




Anonymous, you are certainly entitled to your personal preferences and choice of venues...and to patronize only clubs that meet your preferences.

On the other hand I agree wholeheartedly with DenitaLC that a major factor in the success of resorts like Cypress Cove and Avalon is their welcoming and inclusive policies that include accepting reluctant spouses/partners and families with children as well. IMHO that is a key attitude in being successful rather than failing due to a declining membership.

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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Bill_S]
      #1671789 - 11/16/15 04:14 PM (70.196.2.108)

Cypress Cove is family friendly, playground and all. Having said that, in the month we were there saw three well behaved children. People on waiting list to reserve campsite at the Cove months and years in advance during winter months. Not a bad business to have....

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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1671837 - 11/16/15 10:44 PM (24.19.62.68)

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Anonymous said:
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DenitaLC said:
CC holds to a family friendly business model which they enforce. Multiple generations of owners have really dedicated themselves to running the Cove. I think those two factors are a major part of their success!




There in lies the rub. Family oriented vs adult only. I won't vacation at any property that allows children. I think that there is a big division in nudism pertaining to some people's comfort level. The same goes with resorts or beaches with mandatory nudity compared to those that are clothing optional. I prefer resorts or beaches where nudism is mandatory.




I don't view "family friendly" as being necessarily "family oriented". And I feel most comfortable, even as a single male, at venues where people bring their children because I know that people are there to enjoy the freedom of nudity and not to swing or play "adult games". Similarly with optional nudity vs. mandatory nudity - it's because I equate "optional" with freedom and "mandatory" with coercion. I think Club Orient hits just the right note on both counts.

~Reggie~




Reggie, family orientated may be a better word to use but which ever a person prefers...Cypress Cove IS a place I am totally comfortable taking children. I did so back in 2008!


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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Bill_S]
      #1672069 - 11/18/15 09:56 AM (64.136.164.2)

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DenitaLC said:
CC holds to a family friendly business model which they enforce. Multiple generations of owners have really dedicated themselves to running the Cove. I think those two factors are a major part of their success!




There in lies the rub. Family oriented vs adult only. I won't vacation at any property that allows children. I think that there is a big division in nudism pertaining to some people's comfort level. The same goes with resorts or beaches with mandatory nudity compared to those that are clothing optional. I prefer resorts or beaches where nudism is mandatory.




Anonymous, you are certainly entitled to your personal preferences and choice of venues...and to patronize only clubs that meet your preferences.

On the other hand I agree wholeheartedly with DenitaLC that a major factor in the success of resorts like Cypress Cove and Avalon is their welcoming and inclusive policies that include accepting reluctant spouses/partners and families with children as well. IMHO that is a key attitude in being successful rather than failing due to a declining membership.





Point taken, but the fact is that most resorts that are considered nudist resorts or focus primarily on nudism with families collectively fail. Resorts that cater to textiles, but have mandatory nude designated areas flourish. For example, the Couples resorts in Jamaica. These resorts are very popular and prices for these resorts continue to rise.

Why? (IMHO) They are adult Disney worlds and cater to people on vacation that will throw caution to the wind if tempted. (And, I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING SEXUAL. Couples Resorts are classy places that won't tolerate PDI'S.) These are the same people that will disrobe in Jamaica on vacation with their significant other, but would'nt think of getting naked in the states, much less taking their entire family on a naked vacation to Cypress Cove.

Couples resorts in Jamaica have been successful. N resort failed miserably as have other resorts that focus on nudism as a total concept rather then an inclusion. Seems to be a concept failure that leads to a business failure...just my opinion.


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Re: Why are c/o resort failing and what can be done? [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1672089 - 11/18/15 12:25 PM (35.9.30.96)

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Point taken, but the fact is that most resorts that are considered nudist resorts or focus primarily on nudism with families collectively fail. Resorts that cater to textiles, but have mandatory nude designated areas flourish. For example, the Couples resorts in Jamaica. These resorts are very popular and prices for these resorts continue to rise.





I'm not really sure we have the evidence to support this as fact. Couples resorts are doing well, but nude designated areas are an add-on at those resorts, not the focus. Those resorts are probably doing well due to the quality of the resort and effective marketing. I imagine if they dropped the nude areas it would not massively impact their business. It might even be a wash. My son went to Swept Away because it did not have a nude area. (Young people today are such prudes). Beyond Couples, there's not a lot of other examples of textile records with mandatory nude areas. I would appreciate more of what you consider part of that list. Braco would seem to be exactly what you are talking about, a traditional adult only resort with mandatory nude areas, and it failed.

N Resort failed because they were not a very good resort and had no comprehension of what marketing is. It certainly was not a family resort (it was adult only). Meanwhile, Hidden Beach appears to be thriving with basically an identical structure and market, so what conclusion can we draw there? Club Orient seems to be doing very well and it accepts and even encourages families. Traditional nudist resorts in the US are very mixed in terms of success, but some have been around for nearly 100 years. Most of the traditional resorts (family resorts) that I've seen closing have been due to the owners retiring.


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