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LBI2SXM
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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: mprevo]
      #1746052 - 09/14/17 02:51 PM (73.112.165.173)

Totally agree with you. We lost the 1st floor of our home to Sandy. An insurance adjuster arrived 5 months later. We had to put some of our own money in just to make it livable after 5 months. Oh, we had water and power but nothing else. Try camping in your own home. Try to find carpenters who will not rip you off. If the islanders have to wait for insurance money, God help them, who knows how long that will take. Mprevo is right, then you need materials and sound reliable workers. Vacation time is going to tale a long time. Residents come first!

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mprevo
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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: LBI2SXM]
      #1746211 - 09/15/17 10:15 AM (50.36.99.98)

Couple more thoughts on the island repairs:

A lot of the repair schedules will vary and will depend on what is actually being done. The big resorts and apartment complexes are more “Heavy Construction/Commercial” in nature and will take the larger construction companies to perform to work. Their workers are going to be the most skilled and most trained on the island. It would not surprise me if they don’t import companies/workers. None of these resorts are going to want to “wait in line” to be next.

The smaller projects like most of the restaurants, homes, beach bars, etc. will probably be rebuilt with the “local labor”. These types of projects or more “residential” in nature (Yes, a restaurant can be considered residential construction because they are built mostly like a house anyways). These projects can be completed with whatever labor they can get their hands on. Things may not be perfect when done, but this is a Caribbean Island and from what I have seen in the past, most of the structures are built far from perfect.

The big resorts are going to be mostly specialized materials. They will special order most of their materials (trusses, roofing panels, windows, furnishing, etc.). These repairs probably won’t affect the overall schedules of the smaller building repairs since the larger companies that will do this work already have lines from Suppliers. When you order 100’s of windows, TV’s, doors, etc. you buy directly from the manufacturer (not the local suppliers) to get the best pricing.

Materials for the smaller projects will be more of an issue. These materials will be more “generic” in nature and snatched up by the locals as soon as they arrive for their repairs. There will be a lot of waiting for materials and you will probably see a lot of structures half completed while they wait for supplies. You will probably also see a lot of “just make it work” type of repairs (tarps for roofs, mismatched colors, temporary wood structures, etc.). Which will work OK considering that the labor force doing many of these repairs will probably be the unskilled laborers.

All in all, repairs will probably be happening every day for the next 2 to 3 years. You will see many folks opening for business with half completed structures just to earn money so they can finish. Who can remember Pedro’s a couple years ago that went thru the high season with a blue tarp for a roof?

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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: mprevo]
      #1746214 - 09/15/17 10:54 AM (99.59.33.138)

I often get involved with catastrophic event recovery as part of what I do (power generation, transmission and distribution equipment) but that's typically limited to individual events like a factory fire, or a customer who's facility was part of a larger disaster such as the flooding with Harvey. One general observation I've made is that the haste in which the insurance companies drive claim settlement and reconstruction is greatly accelerated if their insured has a rider policy that covers loss of revenue while they are down. Some customers even have coverage that pays employee salaries and benefits until the facility is back up and running. I've seen this with everything from auto plants to hotels...sending cargo jets for materials and workers, dedicated trucks and transport with multiple drivers to keep them moving, paying huge fees to expedite normal equipment lead times, etc. All because those costs were small compared to what was being paid out under the loss of revenue coverage. If any of the properties carried that type of insurance on the island, you'll be amazed at how fast they get back up versus the properties that have standard coverage.

Hopefully, we don't have a repeat of the insurance fraud that some resorts and businesses suffered after Luis, when it was found their insurance agent had stolen their premiums. If I remember, this was one of the reasons Mullet Bay Resort was not rebuilt. I'm guessing (hoping) that there was far more vigilance and oversight in that regard going forward.

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pat
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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: gomer36]
      #1746220 - 09/15/17 11:21 AM (75.133.113.202)

Gomer,

I doubt most island businesses hurt would have the extended coverages you've mentioned due to high costs but this is a great post right up to the question/issue of fraud with reference to Mullet Bay. Theirs was not a matter of insurance fraud - I believe the resort you're thinking of was the Dawn Beach Resort. Supposedly, they (DB) paid their premiums to someone who enjoyed the money and never paid the bills. He took the money and ran. Mullet Bay Resort was more of a dispute between the family who owned the property and the individual unit owners and was ultimately settled many years later and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees later. The unit owners did ultimately receive some of their moneys back but still took a heck of a hit on their dream properties. We almost purchased one of these units but decided on Towers timeshare instead. Thank heavens!!

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foreversxm
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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: Ted_n_Jan]
      #1746229 - 09/15/17 12:03 PM (209.44.132.182)

I think those that are saying to give the island time to get their life's in order is the worst thing the locals need or want to hear. They will not take tourist until its ok anyhow. Sure a few months but these people are NOT sitting on big savings accounts or any savings like the ones say to not go. I am already hearing good thing and progress is being made. Lights , phone, internet all coming back day by day. The Dutch I bet will stay a long long time and you will see a much better governed Island. Law and order is under control again and I thing they will learn from what has happened. Plenty of hotels will get back open and to not go back is a true fair weather friend. Those that really love St Maarten need to go back. They still have great beaches, warm sun and great food and people and that's all I need. My Hotel will be open and my flight is going so mid December trip is still on. Just go!

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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: mprevo]
      #1746244 - 09/15/17 01:11 PM (71.206.204.8)

Mprevo, a couple of great, informative posts. The workers on the "heavy construction" sites will for the most part be dedicated company employees and not available to "freelance" on smaller projects. The same with their materials.
Depending on the local freelance labor force can be problematic. On the island the gardener is also a painter, the painter also knows carpentry, the carpenter also happens to be an expert plumber, and the plumber also does electrical work. The one thing they have in common is they all talk a great game. But when you finally find a qualified, competent tradesman, they take on more jobs than they can handle. So they may spend a couple of hours on your job, then move on to the next job for a couple of hours, and so on just so they can show some progress on each of the jobs. But sometimes they can't even devote a couple of hours to your job, so they leave you in the hands of an apprentice, and you're kind of back dealing with an inadequate level of work product.
Just my thoughts, but based on personal experience over the years of owning on the island.


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LBI2SXM
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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: foreversxm]
      #1746251 - 09/15/17 01:30 PM (73.112.165.173)

Have you seen all the videos of the destruction? I assume you saw some. What did you see? Have you ever been through a hurricane? I have faith that SXM will survive and be better than before but lets be realistic here. 99% of homes and businesses have some kind of damage, some more than others. Yes the Red Piano, Toppers, the Super U, to name just a few are up and running. Bless them, they apparently faired well. Most of the residents are homeless and trying to survive. The mosquitos alone are eating the people alive in the BVI. Do you think SXM won't be faced with that? Repellent isn't working, there are too many of them and then comes the disease they carry. They are spraying thousands of acres in Texas today because of the bacteria present. SXM residents are having serious problems and we need to help them not invade them. There are relief funds, clothing drives, money all which will be useful to them now, not tourism. In time, absolutely, just not now.

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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: LBI2SXM]
      #1746252 - 09/15/17 01:37 PM (69.115.6.203)



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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: LBI2SXM]
      #1746259 - 09/15/17 02:04 PM (24.102.161.71)

You are correct... This will not be a vacation for a long while...We who have a home must go back, when? who knows... To a house left? who knows. But there is no escape for us, and for the poor people that live on Island and have no where to run... The big issue is water and elec. without those, nothing will resume, and people will suffer. this is one time gebe need to work and work hard...

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LBI2SXM
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Re: Realistic time frame to return [Re: sasasal]
      #1746264 - 09/15/17 02:37 PM (73.112.165.173)

You WILL get back to your home and repair the damage. Some way the will to rebuild is greater than giving up. You can and will do it in time. Our home was totaled but we fought and prayed and did get through it (and we are far from young and DH was diagnosed with Lymphoma at the same time!) Keep a positive attitude and you can do anything!!!

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