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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: BillandElaine]
      #1532207 - 09/04/13 03:59 PM (71.181.205.88)

We spoke to someone at immigration and they said due to our circumstances we would not have to worry. Again, we are not trying to go against the law, but we are citizens of the U.S. who invested money on Island. If the time comes that this is a problem, we will deal with it. but make no mistake we will not become resident of St.M. We have two homes, one here in pa, and one in St.M. But our residency is here in the U.S.A. Sometimes to much knowledge is usless.

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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: Anonymous]
      #1532208 - 09/04/13 04:34 PM (190.102.4.213)

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We spoke to someone at immigration and they said due to our circumstances we would not have to worry. Again, we are not trying to go against the law, but we are citizens of the U.S. who invested money on Island. If the time comes that this is a problem, we will deal with it. but make no mistake we will not become resident of St.M. We have two homes, one here in pa, and one in St.M. But our residency is here in the U.S.A. Sometimes to much knowledge is usless.




I think that you need to get yourself better informed. It does not matter that you own a home or 10 homes here is St. Martin, you are subject to the same rules as anyone else. 3 months maximum stay without residency papers. If you get caught staying longer you will be put in jail until you can produce the cash to purchase a ticket back to the states. There is no leniency and you should know by now that what someone in immigration told you is worthless if someone else wants to uphold the letter of the law. What are you going to tell the officer? Someone told me I shouldn't have a problem? Won't help you.

The system with electronic codes on passports, and when you leave, the officer in immigration will know exactly when you came in and how long you were here. When you leave, your passport may have a red flag as a person who stayed over the limit and when you try to come back, you may have a problem.

It is not that difficult to get a residency permit if you don't plan on working. You also should know that it does not change your citizenship. It is only a permit to reside on the island. You US residency and citizenship is not affected. I would think you would have checked this info out before you bought a house.

Things are entirely different now with Sint Maarten being an independent country.

They are clamping down hard on everything.


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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: Anonymous]
      #1532229 - 09/04/13 06:30 PM (212.230.38.219)

I can't imagine who you spoke to at immigration that would tell you that...I own a home on the island and have residency because it's the law. It doesn't matter if you own a home on the island, you still are not permitted to stay for more than 90 days.
You used to be able to go to the government building on (I think) the 1st Tuesday of the month and speak with someone from immigration/been there/done that!


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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: Sungoddess]
      #1532247 - 09/04/13 09:19 PM (68.100.62.156)

Also beware that the island has also been known to enforce a return ban for a couple of years on those who they deport for residing without a permit. I own a home on the island and never come close to being able to spend 90 days per year there (unfortunately). However, when and if I do, I will be sure to submit the appropriate paperwork rather than risk not being able to visit my house for however long I would not be permitted to return.

I doubt the island would care that I paid an initial transfer tax (which they already collected) and would not consider me an investor worth bending the rules for. After all, with no property tax to collect year after year, I would have no leverage.


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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: BillandElaine]
      #1532279 - 09/05/13 06:58 AM (67.172.47.240)

Jet Blue has asked us for return tickets when we've not had them, and I showed our SXM id cards, which were sufficient for them.
What has happened with the Friendship Treaty? Nothing, I guess.


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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: BillandElaine]
      #1532283 - 09/05/13 07:05 AM (75.58.127.169)

I address this to no one in particular - but I just don't get "WHY" people are surprised and/or upset that the country should be enforcing their own rules and laws.

Just print the darned paperwork and carry it with you and be done with it. It only takes a few minutes to do and once done, all your bases are covered. No hassle and no aggravation......... or am I missing something?

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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: pat]
      #1532287 - 09/05/13 07:23 AM (75.189.232.12)

We no longer own or come to SXM.However.I recall Justice department lost in court on the "Friendship Teaty which allows 6months per year for U.S. residents.Perhaps Immigration on SXM prefers to ignore court rulings

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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: pat]
      #1532289 - 09/05/13 07:42 AM (108.183.175.123)

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I address this to no one in particular - but I just don't get "WHY" people are surprised and/or upset that the country should be enforcing their own rules and laws.

Just print the darned paperwork and carry it with you and be done with it. It only takes a few minutes to do and once done, all your bases are covered. No hassle and no aggravation......... or am I missing something?



Well said! Threads like this always make me wonder why folks just can't abide by local regulations and let it go.


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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: Anonymous]
      #1532291 - 09/05/13 07:51 AM (190.102.4.213)

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We no longer own or come to SXM.However.I recall Justice department lost in court on the "Friendship Teaty which allows 6months per year for U.S. residents.Perhaps Immigration on SXM prefers to ignore court rulings




The friendship treaty is with Holland and Sint Maarten is not Holland. It is an independent country that can make it's own treaties and is not bound by treaties with Holland. That is why the government is appealing the court ruling.


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Re: Strict on return tickets? [Re: BillandElaine]
      #1532298 - 09/05/13 08:41 AM (200.7.33.106)

Elaine is absolutely correct. We have round trip tickets on jetblue from florida to sxm. We had to fly out of sxm to Boston unexpectedly and booked on us air. I never gave the return ticket a thought as we did have round trip tickets back to the u.s. As luck would have it, we got to the airport in Boston very early but needed every second of that time to contact JetBlue and get the info us air required to let us on the plane back--they were adamant about it. I won't make that mistake again!! We also are residents of sxm.

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