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UncleAl32
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Textiles on "nude" beaches
      #1587715 - 05/06/14 09:12 PM (99.33.84.177)

My wife and I have been visiting Baker Beach in San Francisco once or twice each summer for the past 15-20 years. For as long as we've been coming, the north end of BB has been the nude section and the south end the textile section. Like most nude beaches, obnoxious clothed male gawkers have long been a problem, and men have greatly outnumbered women, but you could always count on the vast majority of north end beach goers being nude or topless.

This has changed in the past 2-3 years. We visited BB last week. There were perhaps 150-200 people at the north end, with about 2/3 of them, both men and women, in bathing suits or otherwise clothed. They did not exhibit typical "gawker behavior," and seemingly paid no attention to the nude users.

Few of the textiles were aging baby boomers. Most were millennials or gen-y's. I can only assume that millennials, at least in California, have become used to public nudity, and while not participating themselves, are not put off by nudists.

One problem is that the presence of so many textiles has severely reduced the number of female nudists. (My wife no longer disrobes at BB.) I counted three nude women, all of whom were with their equally nude husbands or b/f. In marked contrast, I saw maybe 9-10 couples like us where he was nude and she wasn't, not even topless. I also noticed maybe 10-12 topless women. The rest of the nudists were men, either alone or with other nude men.

On another forum, I exchanged comments with a poster who frequents Black's Beach in San Diego, who said the same phenomenon is occurring there.

Has anyone else noticed this trend elsewhere?


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Reginald Guy
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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: UncleAl32]
      #1587761 - 05/07/14 01:33 AM (24.152.136.167)

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UncleAl32 said:
...Has anyone else noticed this trend elsewhere?



Yes. It has happened at various C/O beaches in the Malibu area of California and in Hawaii, and I'm told by a German woman friend that it is happening in Germany and the Canary Islands and the various islands of the Mediterranean. In California and Hawaii, I feel that it is partly due to expanding urban and resort areas and the rising cost of newly built homes that overlook what used to be wild shoreline. It also seems to coincide with the influx of Asians, muslims, and Latinos in recent decades, all of these groups much more covered up in their clothing rules. It has gotten so that a preference for beach nudity is a guarantee that the person is "of a certain age" - even in Frei Körper Kultur Germany and among Germans on vacation. All I can say is.... crap!

~Reggie~


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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: UncleAl32]
      #1587842 - 05/07/14 12:19 PM (76.188.17.58)

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UncleAl32 said:
My wife and I have been visiting Baker Beach in San Francisco once or twice each summer for the past 15-20 years. For as long as we've been coming, the north end of BB has been the nude section and the south end the textile section. Like most nude beaches, obnoxious clothed male gawkers have long been a problem, and men have greatly outnumbered women, but you could always count on the vast majority of north end beach goers being nude or topless.

This has changed in the past 2-3 years. We visited BB last week. There were perhaps 150-200 people at the north end, with about 2/3 of them, both men and women, in bathing suits or otherwise clothed. They did not exhibit typical "gawker behavior," and seemingly paid no attention to the nude users.

Few of the textiles were aging baby boomers. Most were millennials or gen-y's. I can only assume that millennials, at least in California, have become used to public nudity, and while not participating themselves, are not put off by nudists.

One problem is that the presence of so many textiles has severely reduced the number of female nudists. (My wife no longer disrobes at BB.) I counted three nude women, all of whom were with their equally nude husbands or b/f. In marked contrast, I saw maybe 9-10 couples like us where he was nude and she wasn't, not even topless. I also noticed maybe 10-12 topless women. The rest of the nudists were men, either alone or with other nude men.

On another forum, I exchanged comments with a poster who frequents Black's Beach in San Diego, who said the same phenomenon is occurring there.

Has anyone else noticed this trend elsewhere?


Appreciate your update on Baker Beach, haven't visited in many years, was curious as to current conditions. The north end was entirely nude and mostly male at the time, a girl I knew (SF native) took me there and it was my 1st nude beach experience. Next trip to SF we will be sure to visit!

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UncleAl32
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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1587885 - 05/07/14 03:22 PM (99.33.84.177)

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It also seems to coincide with the influx of Asians, muslims, and Latinos in recent decades, all of these groups much more covered up in their clothing rules.



Reginald, while there may have been Latinos, Orientals and Moslems in the crowd, the majority of the textiles were whites. Like many millennials, when the outer clothing comes off to reveal the bikinis or board shorts, tattoos were abundant.

And to Unregistered, just remember to check the weather forecast before visiting. Unfortunately, coming to SF to visit Baker Beach is not something you can plan ahead. It has to be spur of the moment. That's because there are just a handful of days when it's warm enough to go to the beach.

And, do NOT rely on the San Francisco weather forecast! It can be 90F in downtown SF (where the weather is recorded) and 65F and windy at the beach. Google "Baker Beach weather" and you get the straight skinny.


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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: UncleAl32]
      #1587899 - 05/07/14 04:41 PM (24.152.136.167)

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UncleAl32 said:
...while there may have been Latinos, Orientals and Moslems in the crowd, the majority of the textiles were whites....



My mentioning them was to point out their greater influence throughout our general society in recent years. Here in Los Angeles, there was even a change in the L.A. Times underwear ads, starting in the 80s, to increasingly modest depictions in even the pen-and-ink drawings. Attendance at the previously predominantly C/O beaches by the young/hippy crowd has turned to very sparse attendance by isolated single males who appear to be in their 50s or 60s. My German friend tells me that this mirrors the situations in Germany, the Mediterranean, and and the Canaries where she swims and suns regularly. Her pet peeve is about surfers. She complains that wherever they go, the tone of the beach changes to textile.

~Reggie~


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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1587945 - 05/07/14 07:41 PM (76.188.17.58)

Wouldn't one exception be the surfers at San Onofre circa 1980? Those guys never wore suits!

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Reginald Guy
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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1588082 - 05/08/14 12:22 PM (24.152.136.167)

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Wouldn't one exception be the surfers at San Onofre circa 1980? Those guys never wore suits!



I... guess. There will always be exceptions. We are exceptions. In the case of San Onofre, the nude surfers are just the nudists among the local surfers. What my German friend has seen, and it seems to carry into Mexico as well, is that the first wave of "discovery" of an area for tourism and then vacation homes and then luxury retirement homes is the arrival of "safari surfers". Or, in the 1970s - the arrival of the hippies. The locals may or may not be offended, but they're so off the beaten path that laws do not apply as strongly as the lure of a more-than-subsistence income by selling food/meals/liquor/pot to the weird visitors. Vendors set up shop, campsites appear, then bed-and-breakfasts develop, then voilà(!) - a destination resort. And then Norman Luftman appears...

~Reggie~


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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1588155 - 05/08/14 04:08 PM (208.163.202.172)

Norman Luftman or Norman Paperman? (smile)

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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: CptCook]
      #1588275 - 05/08/14 09:52 PM (24.152.136.167)

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Norman Luftman or Norman Paperman? [...]



Sorry - it was Norbert Luftman who became a big developer of Orient Bay (along with a local partner) after Luftman's Air France connection back to Paris was delayed, and he (and his family) saw Orient Bay for the 1st time and it reminded him of St. Tropez in its development potential. That was about 15 years ago, about the time restrictions on nudity along the beach began.

~Reggie~


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Re: Textiles on "nude" beaches [Re: Reginald Guy]
      #1588288 - 05/09/14 01:22 AM (195.99.141.183)

I'd have to agree that must of been a tragic moment when someone chose to cram chairs like sardines.

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