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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
[Re: gotaluvit]
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First of all, it is NOT the single most important spot on the island.
There have been lots of reports, basically a lot of damage. Beach appears to be decent but not a lot of places to stay or eat at the present time. Extensive damage up and down the beach.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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ruralcarrier said: First of all, it is NOT the single most important spot on the island.
There have been lots of reports, basically a lot of damage. Beach appears to be decent but not a lot of places to stay or eat at the present time. Extensive damage up and down the beach. I agree with you on all counts. With specific regard to Orient Beach, there is government to deal with and apparently a lot of specifics with regard to rebuilding. Says one who knew it before it was developed to what most recent visitors know it to be, some of us really don’t care if it takes forever. Count me with that group. But at the same time, I understand what so many are missing and I think the factors for lack of rapid redevelopment all seem to be based upon dollars. I’m sure it will come back eventually. Patience, Pilgrims..... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
[Re: gotaluvit]
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It appears there are significant issues with regard to rebuilding on Orient, with the government. I guess that's why we don't hear much from Orient. Hopefully there will be more news soon.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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11/18/2017 06:58 AM
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Been there twice this past week. The beach is beautiful and empty. The surrounding area has been cleaned of debris but is otherwise untouched. I think it will be some time IF EVER before anyone is allowed to build there again.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Although I'm not certain of it, as I understand, the 'Five Stars' have an AOT and they are exempt from the not building close to the water line, so I THINK they should be able to rebuild.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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That may be true. At the present time the only things open, and only on weekend I think, are the little thing we are calling the Perch and not on the beach but almost is Alamanda Kitchen.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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sxmmartini said: Rdv à partir de 8h pour nettoyer la plage d'Orient Bay, en commençant par le Sud (côté Club Orient / Papagayo) et en remontant autant que possible. Même organisation que d'habitude; Prévoir gants, baskets, casquettes, de l'eau et des sacs poubelles. Si possible, également des sécateurs ou couteaux pour enlever ce qui est pris dans les végétaux.
Appointment from 8 am to clean the Orient Bay beach, starting from the South (Club Orient / Papagayo side) and going up as far as possible. Same organization as usual; Provide gloves, sneakers, caps, water and trash bags. If possible, also pruning shears or knives to remove what is caught in the plants.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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OP asked about Orient Beach, so I did not include the village.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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11/20/2017 12:21 PM
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I'm glad you said arguably. It's the most important to us, as that's where we stay, spend most of our time, and eat most of our meals. Of course, others feel differently.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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11/28/2017 04:46 AM
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They've been renting for several weeks already. Not many takers, but they are available. Only on weekends far as we can tell.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Hope so for the folks trying to make a living. For us, we're enjoying the solitude and will disappear once the crowds return.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Correct. After most initial reports indicated most everything was "gone", I was surprised at how much was still standing.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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I am sure an up close and personal view would show much more damage. My point was, like with many other places on the island, the initial reports of a place being totally "gone" were inaccurate.
J.D.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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11/30/2017 01:11 PM
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Yes, there were reports that Beachside Villas was 'gone'. Incorrect. They are actually open now with a few units, expect to have all units available by around March 1. Mary's Boon was reportedly 'gone'. Incorrect. Mary's Boon is open already with almost all their units, less a couple of units that were in fact destroyed. I haven't seen any other pictures of Club Orient recently, so I assume that the aerial pictures are deceptive, as far as how it actually looks and the actual condition of the individual units. And I don't remember the layout well enough, but I think the beachfront units are just 'gone', so that much is correct.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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The best I can tell from the drone images and other images I have seen show Club O's Beach Chalets to all appear to be standing, all of the Garden Chalets appear to be standing, about four of the nine Waterfront Chalets appear to be still standing, only two of the 15 Mini-Suite buildings are standing and all 17 the Studio buildings are indeed gone. Edited to add that all of the Mini-Suite Deluxe buildings appear to be standing.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Modi said: From that far in the air the buildings appear to be fine, but I recall seeing other photo sets taken from the ground level after Irma showing many of the surviving concrete structures moved slightly off their foundations, out of kilter, with cracked walls, foundations undermined etc. In these pictures they all have their doors opened wide to circulate air through them to dry them out.
I'm not sure if that means they are salvageable and will be redone, or maybe it's just being done prevent mold growth or something along those lines while the decision to demolish them is being considered or planned? Actually the doors aren't open to air the units; they were sucked off by the storm, taking all of the contents of the building with them. So yeah, silver-lining is that the shells of the builds are well aired out.... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Jenni--I believe your family owns a unit there? Any updates as to when rebuilding will begin?
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Carol_Hill said: Jenni--I believe your family owns a unit there? Any updates as to when rebuilding will begin? I haven't heard any dates yet. I'm sure they'll be posted on Facebook when anything becomes official and ready for public consumption. Island time, you know! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Heck. I check the same thead multiple times a day just to see the responses. There goes your theory. And orient isn't my favorite beach area.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Very well stated.
While I do not go back as far as you and your family, Orient of 25+ years ago was vastly different back then. Yes, Club Orient was there and was very popular but the "circus" atmosphere was not there.
I went for probably a 5 year stretch without going to Orient. Unless I had new visitors with me, I had no desire to make the drive (and possible consequences) from Simpson Bay. I do still enjoy a day on Orient but I also preferred the more laid back and simpler Orient of years ago.
To each their own.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Another perspective, perhaps?
Our first trip to St. Maarten/St. Martin dates back to the early 70's and while Orient was not the first beach we visited - that would have been Mullet - we visited it nonetheless.
It was a totally different place than what many of you 'late comers' to the island who arrived say in the last 20-25 years knew. It was a pristine area that was actually difficult to locate coming from 'the other side' of the island. But find it we did and the only thing there that I can honestly recall was the earliest days of Orient Beach Club aka the 'nudist camp' and it was tucked away at the end of the beach pretty much away from all else. And for the record - 'all else' would include the occasion stray cow or donkey, and the sea grape and various other island flora and fauna that grew there in profusion along with the original restaurant on the beach - a 55 gal. drum morphed into a BBQ grill from which came some incredibly good eats.
It was truly a heavenly kind of place - no crowds at all - you could wander the full length of the beach and maybe encounter 2-3 small clusters of people seeking their privacy and a few more people mostly as you neared the Club O location.
Over the years that original BBQ grill eatery evolved into a profusion of shacks, huts and eventually, some pretty nice eateries and boutiques and even a few hotels with many local entrepreneurs settling in to earn a living there.
And the people came. And the more it was 'talked about' via the internet and hyped as a 'site to see', the more the people came and the development kept increasing.
Now here's where I get into trouble, and know, please, I'm not talking about the Club Orient property specifically but the beach pretty much over all - to me it took on a circus-like atmosphere of people trying to see and be seen. Not everyone, of course, but too many for my tastes. And with the profusion of information out there about this beach, it became to many of us just another cruise ship attraction - often times loud and boisterous people imbibing too freely of the various island libations along the route and all too often, displaying some pretty tacky behaviors.
Many feel this, more so than anything else lead to the decline in favorability of this beach for so many of us. But in the end, nature took its' course and Irma returned the beach to that which many of us knew and originally fell in love with.
I know there are many who will take issue with me, but for as long as it lasts, I would be inclined to rediscover what little is left of the old Orient, and for those who long for the up-scale eateries, accommodations, beach chaises and umbrellas, crowds and all the like, don't fret too much, it will return again and perhaps a lot quicker than it did the first time around. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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pat
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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We think it is an unbelievably beautiful stretch of beach. When we started going in the early 90's it wasn't too bad. Obviously nothing like you encountered in the 70's Pat. As it got more and more "Circus or Carnival" like we stopped.
If it stayed more low key, we would go back. If not, there are a lot of beaches to choose from.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Pat, I'm not taking issue with you, and never would. Your posts are always well thought out, worded, and appreciated. But, you and others have mentioned a "circus like atmosphere", which we have never experienced while staying at Club O many times. Maybe we just went on the wrong weeks, but we've found it to nothing but laid back, relaxing and friendly. We started going to the island in '85, and can remember lying on the beach, above the rocks, using a sea grape tree for shade, and having the pristine beach almost to ourselves. Now, we seldom would venture north of the rocks, except for an occasional lunch at one of our favs - and there were some excellent choices there. The only "circus type atmosphere" happened when Da Party Bus would park next to the wall, music and sirens blaring, to allow the gawkers on top of it to hold up their phones to take pictures of the guests. We were scheduled to stay there last month, and were sad when Irma changed that. But, we just lost a vacation. Others lost much more than that. And, no, I'm not saying that "our" beach is better or more important than any other. It's just our preference. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Others before Pat first mentioned the "circus like atmosphere", without specifying which part of the beach they were referencing. I guess I was just defending the many wonderful friends we've met over the years at Club O. Trust me, Pat & I are cool. I too have witnessed the drunken, rude behavior. I think too many assume that if the beach allows toplessness and nudity, anything goes. The difference at the Club is that security is usually quick to respond.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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That's when we stopped going also. I loved the beach but it all got to be a bit too much for us, along with the parking & time to get there.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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ruralcarrier said: First of all, it is NOT the single most important spot on the island.
There have been lots of reports, basically a lot of damage. Beach appears to be decent but not a lot of places to stay or eat at the present time. Extensive damage up and down the beach. And what is?
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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SXMbeachman said:ruralcarrier said: First of all, it is NOT the single most important spot on the island.
There have been lots of reports, basically a lot of damage. Beach appears to be decent but not a lot of places to stay or eat at the present time. Extensive damage up and down the beach. And what is? It's what's important to you. Is what is.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Same here. While we love all of the island, Orient Beach was the first place we ever visited on SXM during a cruise to the island. We fell in love with SXM that very day and went back for a week at Club O the following year. We’ve been back at least once a year since that first visit in 2006 (staying at various places), and Orient Beach is always our favorite beach. We have since enjoyed many of the other beaches on both sides as well, but Orient still holds a special place in our hearts. We will love it with or without the ‘circus’ atmosphere (though busy at times, we have never found it to be anything but relaxing and laid back). We, too, have made many friends on that beach. Miss being there and can’t wait to get back to our 2nd ‘home’.
Robin & Ed
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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SXMbeachman said:ruralcarrier said: First of all, it is NOT the single most important spot on the island.
There have been lots of reports, basically a lot of damage. Beach appears to be decent but not a lot of places to stay or eat at the present time. Extensive damage up and down the beach. And what is? Well, perhaps the airport for one? No airport and not much a of a way to get to the island for most people.
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Re: Why no Reports from Orient Beach?
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Who says that there HAS to be the most important spot on the island? And why is it even helpful to make such a designation? There is certainly not a 'one size fits all', single most important spot on the island for EVERYONE. And what is most important to a single person also changes over the years. I know it has for us, over the 30 years we've been going. And that's normal and natural. People change over time and their needs and wants change. It's whatever is important to YOU, at that moment in time. That is what is so great about St. Maarten/St. Martin. It has something for everyone.
Going to close this one now, as it is not a productive argument.
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