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Air France Diversion #229128
07/01/2020 01:42 PM
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Does anyone know why scheduled Air France #498 to arrive in SXM proceeded to Guadeloupe instead? Just curious.

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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Whale Tail] #229136
07/01/2020 02:17 PM
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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Whale Tail] #229142
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is this link at PJIA? Noticed no-one wearing face masks.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Whale Tail] #229143
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There was a flight plan for AF 498 to leave PTP at 2:33 pm and land at SXM at 2:53, however, that flight was cancelled.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: RonDon] #229144
07/01/2020 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RonDon
is this link at PJIA? Noticed no-one wearing face masks.

Yes.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: RonDon] #229146
07/01/2020 03:34 PM
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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: SXMScubaman] #229147
07/01/2020 03:37 PM
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OK, guys, not every post has to be about Covid. Please stay on topic.


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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Whale Tail] #229148
07/01/2020 03:39 PM
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I had difficulty understanding but I think one gentleman said another meeting is scheduled for Friday and that workers agreed to work Thursday and possibly Friday but if they don't get satisfaction they plan to close the airport until they do.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: SXMScubaman] #229152
07/01/2020 04:04 PM
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I couldn't understand anything being said or shouted. What are they protesting against? What are their demands?

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: SXMScubaman] #229154
07/01/2020 04:10 PM
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Thanks Scubaman I think you nailed it. Turns out to be a bigger story than a plane diversion. When I was watching AF498 approach to SXM it would turn south and then west and repeat. So I said to my wife I think Air France has a new pilot on board and he's lost. LOL. Will follow this story on The Herald.
And to all my fellow Canadian SXM lovers. Happy Canada Day canada

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: GaKaye] #229160
07/01/2020 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by GaKaye
I couldn't understand anything being said or shouted. What are they protesting against? What are their demands?


I think airport workers have not been paid since Irma so they're refusing to work until that is settled.

There were two videos. First I didn't understand at all. Second one had a lady claiming to speak for all and I understood little except "we all have mouths to feed..." Near end of that video a gentleman came forward and spoke to someone off camera and said something like if the people don't get paid they will not work. He said airport will open Thursday but close again if the meeting on Friday is not satisfactory to the workers and stay closed until payments are made.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: RonDon] #229162
07/01/2020 07:12 PM
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I find it extremely hard to believe that they haven't been paid since Irma, since the airport has been operational for well over a year since then. Heck, we've been back twice since Irma. There must be another explanation. Perhaps there's some back pay they're due for the times when the airport's been closed?

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: GaKaye] #229168
07/01/2020 08:14 PM
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Agreed, there is no WAY the airport workers have not been paid since Irma. The Dutch have demanded salary reductions for a bunch of SXM government workers in exchange for the latest amount of aid, so that is probably it.


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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Carol_Hill] #229174
07/02/2020 05:49 AM
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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: ruralcarrier] #229175
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The airport could be the tip of the iceberg for entities on island strapped for operating cash.

Looks like someone might have to find some dough to pay these folks.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: GaKaye] #229177
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Back pay is the problem since Irma.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: PelicanPirate] #229178
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Originally Posted by PelicanPirate
The airport could be the tip of the iceberg for entities on island strapped for operating cash.

Looks like someone might have to find some dough to pay these folks.

My personal guess is that most entities on the island are strapped for cash at this point. Not sure how one finds "dough to pay these folks" when there has been no dough coming in for 4 months.


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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Kennys] #229181
07/02/2020 09:06 AM
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Lesley--so what are we talking here? Were they not paid at all for months, did they get less pay? For some reason, I haven't heard about this before.


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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Kennys] #229186
07/02/2020 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Kennys
Back pay is the problem since Irma.

Thanks Leslie for confirming I did understand that video correctly.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Kennys] #229203
07/02/2020 12:41 PM
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And they KNOW that they owe them money....

You can't expect people to continue working for free.

Planes can't land without the fire brigage.

"back pay due starting from 2017 – their main grievance – as well as other allowances and benefits such as bonuses, vacation pay, incremental salary increases, and cost of living adjustments (COLAs).

Management does not deny that the back pay is long overdue, and had been promised,?


"It is good to do nothing all day, and then to rest" wink
Re: Air France Diversion [Re: BeachKitten] #229206
07/02/2020 01:11 PM
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Again, how MUCH back pay? I really doubt they have been paid NOTHING since Irma. That makes no sense. Nobody does that, works for 2.5 years with no pay. That's silly.


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Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Whale Tail] #229215
07/02/2020 02:12 PM
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Air France #498 finally arrived.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Whale Tail] #229222
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The daily herald referred to it as a cargo flight, so I am assuming no passengers.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: wilsonck] #229223
07/02/2020 03:51 PM
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If you look at this information, the flight was definitely a PASSENGER FLIGHT. No matter what the DH says, wink

https://air-france.flight-status.info/

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: Maria_and_Steve] #229225
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It was definitely a "passenger plane" but could have only had cargo on it and no passengers.

Re: Air France Diversion [Re: eightzerobits] #229236
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I believe it came in no passengers but was repatriation flight going back to France.


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