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CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid #260912
07/20/2021 11:01 AM
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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #260914
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What are the current numbers of infections?


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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
What are the current numbers of infections?

I haven't seen anything since the weekend but it was at 1596 as of 7/15. They stopped mass testing so the infection numbers don't mean much any more.

Deaths and hospitalization are probably the better numbers to track. Saturday we were at 28 admitted patients and 17 deaths but I know more have passed since then with no reporting.


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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #260916
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Nominally they have gone down (due to recoveries and deaths); but since they've stopped their intensive testing efforts that doesn't necessarily reflect current conditions. I think it is still at 1596 cases as of yesterday (source: BVI Platinum News)

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Wow, 17 deaths, and there have been more since then? Wow.. Before this round of infections, there was only one death?


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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
Wow, 17 deaths, and there have been more since then? Wow.. Before this round of infections, there was only one death?

Yes. Probably almost 1 year ago.


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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #260921
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Any increase in desire of people there to get vaccinated? You'd think going from 1 death for a year to 16 new deaths that might provide some encouragement. Assuming no one who was vaccinated died?

Really sad as the BVI could be booming right now just like the USVI is.


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They did have a drive-through vaccination this weekend with about 800 vaccinations getting done! That's 2.5% of the population which will sadly take some weeks to fully take effect but is still a huge step in the right direction.


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That’s a huge improvement in vaccination rate. Glad to hear it!

Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: Zanshin] #260928
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Zanshin--that is good news! Hopefully many more will get vaccinated. Perhaps the seriousness of this is finally sinking in.


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Hate that it had to come to this for folks to come to their senses..what a crying shame.

Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: Carol_Hill] #260934
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Who is counting and reporting and verifying causes of death on these new deaths?

Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #260936
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The numbers come from the BVIHSA and the deaths have occurred at Peebles. No expert, but not sure if an autopsy is performed when there is a death in those circumstances.

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Regardless of if it’s covid, covid related or perhaps another cause 17 deaths in the BVI is significant in such a short time period.

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Another 235 vaccinated yesterday at the drive thru, looked pretty steady today as well.
The drive thru will be open 9-4 all week, so hopefully many more to add...

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Today another 187 vaccinated.

Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #260965
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That’s 1,222, which is 3.82% of the population, if they’re all first doses. That’s a great jump! I hope they can meet or exceed those numbers for the next several weeks. When is the new vaccine shipment due?


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And, unfortunately the jump in fatalities usually trails the jump in cases by a couple of weeks.


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Total numbers are currently:
active cases - 1604
deaths - 23
1st shot - 15,620
2nd shot - 10,881

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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: JasonHelmbrecht] #260976
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Wow, 1st shots are at about 50% - great news!


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I agree, the recent push got that number of 1st shots up dramatically. Many of those aren't quite active yet, but the trend is promising and even just one shot is much better than none at all.


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I thought I also read somewhere that they are trying to make the Moderna and Pfizer shots available to BVI people via a trip to the USVI. Not sure how that would all work but if people were concerned about the AstraZeneca shot having options may increase the vax count.

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Astra Zenica does not seem to be as effective. Would be nice if they could get either Moderna or Pfizer.


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Or J&J - one and done would be great for them.


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One and done is nice but I believe the J&J is quite a bit less effective than other options.

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Agreed. No way would I personally want J & J (if I weren't already vaccinated, which I am!!)


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Yeah, I did some looking it seems it is a lot less effective against the delta variant. Given that, the others do make more sense.


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I got the J&J, which normally is only given to the homeless in Germany (because it is so difficult to get them to come twice); but I got in a local lottery due to an outbreak in the city where I was. For me the vaccine is just an insurance policy against severe sickness and prevents hospitalization - I still act as if I'm not vaccinated. I realized how times have changed, one guy at the store register today was sniffling and I wondered if it was COVID, allergies, or just a coke habit...


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rofl

Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: Zanshin] #261032
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Originally Posted by Zanshin
I got the J&J, which normally is only given to the homeless in Germany (because it is so difficult to get them to come twice); but I got in a local lottery due to an outbreak in the city where I was. For me the vaccine is just an insurance policy against severe sickness and prevents hospitalization - I still act as if I'm not vaccinated. I realized how times have changed, one guy at the store register today was sniffling and I wondered if it was COVID, allergies, or just a coke habit...


There is nothing wrong with the J&J vaccine other than the negative spin it attracts when the coffers for the other two stop over-flowing with dollars. For a hesitant population they might want to consider a one and done. BTW, I've read two separate articles this week in which one said J&J is outperforming the Pfizer/Moderna against the variant and the other said it's not performing well against the variant. Just gotta do your own thing...

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J & J is only about 75% effective, in general, versus Pfizer and Moderna, each at nearly 95%. That 20% is a BIG difference to me.


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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
J & J is only about 75% effective, in general, versus Pfizer and Moderna, each at nearly 95%. That 20% is a BIG difference to me.


Again, what good is Pfizer or Moderna if a population is particularly resistant to getting a vaccine in the first place. At that point one shot may be all they are willing to take. So I think that we can agree that having the J&J (along with the others) offered to them would be the way to reach the most people. 75% efficacy would FAR OUTPACE their current protection which obviously wasn't much.

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Looking at some of the contents of the reader comments on the BVI news sites I read similar views about other vaccines being better than what they have. But those would need to be purchased by the BVI, and those that they do have (and which are due to expire soon) were FREELY GIVEN. It just goes to show that regardless of the situation there will always be those who complain. In the UK we call it "whinging and whining"


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mfringsley--on that, we agree, that their current protection is basically zero..


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If I remember the data correctly, the J&J 67% efficacy rate is in the prevention of CONTRACTING COVID-19. The efficacy in the prevention of SEVERE SICKNESS & HOSPITALIZATION is comparable to that of Phizer and Moderna, is it not? Forgive the caps...


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That could be, but this whole topic has become a general one, not about the original topic, which is extremely important. Sorry for my role in the thread drift.

Let's get back to the topic of current Covid levels in the BVI..


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The new numbers published on the BVI government site don't reflect the actual infection levels here; but the death and hospitalization numbers show that the crisis is still continuing. The first travelers were refused boarding on Monday due to delayed test results (as was already predicted in this thread), and the Minister of Health's "apologies" don't really ring true (https://bvinews.com/late-test-results-causes-missed-flights-health-minister-apologises/).


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Wait, they have 30,000 rapid tests just sitting there somewhere?? "The minister explained that there are some 30,000 rapid test kits “sitting right now” and said these should have been made available sooner but his team is still working on a strategy on how to best implement it."


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Unfortunately, the rapid tests won't help the problem of people being turned away at the ferry and then missing flights. USVI now requires an antibody or PCR test and that system is overwhelmed. They would need to figure out a strategy to prioritize outbound USVI tests or increase capacity so every result is returned in 24 hours.

We're coming to the wrap up of this year's busy season (either naturally or forced) so that may be enough to bring some relief to the testing load.

I ALWAYS recommend flying. That process has been working for a while and there is a lot more redundancy in carriers. My recommendation stands; if you are in the BVI or planning a trip in the next couple of months, change your tickets and fly thru SJU.

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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #261102
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Yes. This is the BVI, by the time the strategy is developed and implemented there will no longer be a need for said tests. And remember that there is a fight going on with the government not approving private practice tests and insist on using their one (overloaded) official government-run lab. St. Maarten put the BVI on the red list and I wouldn't be surprised if other countries don't follow suit soon.


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Zanshin, unfortunately you are correct about the lack of good planning.

The tug-of-war between the BVIHSA and private clinics is interesting. Logic would say the government should be happy to have increased testing capacity. They clearly aren't. That makes me wonder if money is at the root of it. The health department community tests are free, or paid by NHI. They charge tourists and others leaving $70/each, which may generate some surplus. If those tests migrate to a private clinic, the profit migrates with them.

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I did my PCR test yesterday and the paying clientele were clearly being taken ahead of the local NHI-sponsored folk. It was certainly run by the government - 4 distinct stations to go through before I got to leave, and only the actual testing was done my medical staff. There were 9 active staff running the tests, yet throughput was surprisingly slow. I do believe that it is a profitable venture. And my test cost $150 because I had to take a cab from CGB and back so even the powerful taxi drivers got some profit out of the tests.


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Are cruise ships still arriving and debarking passengers at the Pier?

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No - there was a cruise ship at the dock yesterday for a "warm layover" which I guess means nobody can embark or debark.


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One needs to remember that the CDC warnings have very much to do with the capacity of local health care, and not so much to do with rates or numbers of infections. The BVI went months with virtually zero cases but the CDC warned against going there. Same with the USVI, at a time when the governor was bracing about the high rate of vaccinations coupled with low rates of infection. Pretty much nowhere in the Caribbean passes muster with the CDC even on a good day.

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Jason, are you saying you can't use a positive antibody test for the USVI anymore?

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Originally Posted by tradewinds
Jason, are you saying you can't use a positive antibody test for the USVI anymore?

Good catch! You absolutely can use a positive antibody. I edited my other answer. Sorry for the confusion.

The test can be 4 months old for arrival by sea or 3 months old for arrival by air.


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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #261129
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But can't be used when taking a ferry from the BVI to the USVI


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Originally Posted by Zanshin
But can't be used when taking a ferry from the BVI to the USVI

I'm pretty sure it can. Just no rapid antigen test any longer.

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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #261137
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Jason - I stand corrected:

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Until further notice, persons traveling from the BVI into the USVI must present test results obtained within 48 hours of traveling that show a negative COVID-19 for those who are not vaccinated or a positive antibody test for those who are vaccinated.


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Originally Posted by Zanshin
But can't be used when taking a ferry from the BVI to the USVI

Zanshin - If you are referring to the antibody test (taken within 4 months), it is my understanding this is acceptable for vax'd travelers entering the USVI from BVI by boat. This is the test we used to enter on July 14.

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Jason, is that just specific to BVI? We took a PCR test yesterday and haven't got results yet. Hoping we get them tomorrow but we scheduled a rapid antigen test since the usviportal.com website still states that as acceptable. I think if we need to we can go about 30 minutes away and get a PCR test with results in a few hours. Unfortunately for a price of $250 and we'd need 3 if ours from yesterday don't come through.

EDIT - I just re-read it and see it seems specific to the BVI. Been too long a week dealing with all our travel hiccups, can't wait for Saturday!

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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
That could be, but this whole topic has become a general one, not about the original topic, which is extremely important. Sorry for my role in the thread drift.

Let's get back to the topic of current Covid levels in the BVI..

I understand and agree wholeheartedly Carol! However, I think it is important to keep the facts straight for those affected, misinformation is not helpful wherever it is…😀

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I just got my PCR results, turnaround time under 48 hours. Now I need to get the BVI to let me clear out!


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Fair winds. Let us know where you end up!

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I finally got my pre-clearance this morning, and had an appointment at 10:00 at the West End to clear out. All went quickly and well and I was charged 50 cents (don't know what for, as I had already filled out my form). Because I'd gotten the pre-clearance, they didn't check my boat papers or temporary import or entry papers so I was in and out in 5 minutes - except waiting for the group of 6 in front of me, who hadn't filled out any paperwork in advance and took a long time filling out their forms...

So now I'm getting the outboard removed and stowed (this is the one time I hate having a 20HP outboard) and then have to get the dinghy on deck. Once all that is done, I'm off to St. Lucia - 325NM on a true course of 143. Winds are such that I will probably have to tack sometime in the next 3 days but I'll wait until I get into the lee of Gaudeloupe or Martinique to do that. By then the winds and waves will have settled a bit. It is BFT5-6 right now so I'm going to have really batten things down.


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That's awesome safe travels and hoping that tack isn't too taxing groovin

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Sorry I didn't get a chance to see your boat while we were on our charter. Glad you're finally cleared.


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I'm currently passing CGB, motoring upwind. Conditions aren't great for upwind travel - I'm going to get as much easting as possible in the "shade" of Tortola and Virgin Gorda and go via the passage between Prickly Pear and Neckar. That'll give me a couple of degrees better angle and less wear-and-tear on me and the boat.


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Safe travels and enjoy your time in St Lucia!


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Awesome - thanks for the picture! I am only a bit embarrassed to get caught motoring - but the conditions today aren't great for sailing upwind. The dinghy is firmly attached to the front deck and I'm heading towards the North Sound now, almost at the dog Islands. It is cool to have connectivity while underway smile


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Stay safe my friend and see you again soon..Nic pic Jason.

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I just tucked into the North Sound - because I couldn't leave the BVI before the 19:00 curfew and the weather tomorrow is going to be a lot better than tonight smile Since I've got 24 hours after clearing out to leave the BVI I'm still legal... Nobody else anchored off Prickly Pear but several boat moored at Leverick Bay. I've got 5Gb of data left on my plan and can't figure out how to use it tonight...


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Happy to see Zanshin made if safely to St. Lucia!

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Glad to hear it. I wondered if anyone had heard from him.


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It was a sub-optimal trip. I knew it when I saw the weather charts, but I was so happy to get out of the BVI with the stress of not getting permission to stay nor to leave that I decided to do it. Basically, there was a tropical wave coming through and the winds were south of east - meaning I had (a) bad weather with clouds and squall lines, (b) wind almost on the nose, and (c) a disorganized wave system making life aboard miserable.

It took me 3 days, I left at 08:00 from the North Sound and arrived at 08:30 in Rodney Bay. I'll post a chart of my route, but basically I couldn't make any better than due south with no easting. When I did motor east it didn't come close to making the trip shorter.

I managed to cajole the lady at Health to allow me in without another PCR test - I was a bit disingenuous about my arrival time and she didn't want to do extra paperwork involved with another test and quarantine at dock. I cleared into Customs & Immigration with nary a hitch, I'd forgotten that officials could be friendly after my trips to the BVI - we chatted about Japan and they wanted to know certain phrases to impress their friends with. Ahhh, the BVI can certainly learn from this.

I've not used my A/C since way before Irma, but here at the docks I'm going to need it, so now I'm waiting for a technician to come by with magic greenhouses gasses for me smile


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Glad you made it, even though it sounds a very uncomfortable trip. Are you going to stay there through hurricane season?


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I haven't decided yet. But I will be here for a bit. Prices for dockage are really good ($400 per week for 57" with water and power and A/C extra) and the internet is really fast so I can do some home-office work. And perhaps I'll find time to explore St. Lucia by land. If a tropical wave comes through that might turn into a hurricane it is only a 24-hour passage to Grenada to get out of the path of the storm, so it is a good location. Too early to tell, first I'm going to have to have dinner ashore tonight and have some tasty food rather than my cooking on this passage which wasn't much. But I did try making Macaroni & Cheese. It tasted worse than I remember from my college days and was probably only 25% organic because I added that amount of milk and butter.


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Any update in the past few days of more people getting vaccinated? Just wondering if this surge in cases could be a blessing in disguise and gets more people to get out and get vaccinated.
Thanks!

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Last update I saw included statistics thru 31 July @ 3pm. 12,009 fully vaccinated people. 497 active cases.


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Originally Posted by Zanshin
I haven't decided yet. But I will be here for a bit. Prices for dockage are really good ($400 per week for 57" with water and power and A/C extra) and the internet is really fast so I can do some home-office work. And perhaps I'll find time to explore St. Lucia by land. If a tropical wave comes through that might turn into a hurricane it is only a 24-hour passage to Grenada to get out of the path of the storm, so it is a good location. Too early to tell, first I'm going to have to have dinner ashore tonight and have some tasty food rather than my cooking on this passage which wasn't much. But I did try making Macaroni & Cheese. It tasted worse than I remember from my college days and was probably only 25% organic because I added that amount of milk and butter.


Enjoyed following your updates the past 10 days - have you considered starting a blog with your experiences for others to also enjoy? Maybe while you have some downtime in St Lucia!


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I do have a daily blog; my homepage auto-updates the most recent blog entry and a link to the calendar can be found by clicking here


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Sorry, Jason, I don't how many people you are talking about? Is that people on Tortola or all the BVI's? 12,009 out of how many? That also seems like a lot of current cases compared to a month ago as well. I wonder if this is going to pay dividends in a couple months or not. Thanks always for the help and insight.

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Originally Posted by unipanther

Sorry, Jason, I don't how many people you are talking about? Is that people on Tortola or all the BVI's? 12,009 out of how many? That also seems like a lot of current cases compared to a month ago as well. I wonder if this is going to pay dividends in a couple months or not. Thanks always for the help and insight.

The case count is actually much better. We were at 1,600 exactly 2 weeks ago.

Total BVI population is 30,030 so our vaccinated numbers are pretty poor at 40%.

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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #261819
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Thanks Jason! Our second and last payment on the villa on Tortola is coming up soon on Aug 23rd and it's a little nerve racking. We are "all in" on coming if we're allowed and it's safe. Booking travel nowadays is stressful when it should not be. Before you booked a trip and showed up, not today.
Thanks again for all your insight. Cheers!

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Jason, what's your source for the vaccination numbers? Is this published somewhere regularly?

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Originally Posted by bernk
Jason, what's your source for the vaccination numbers? Is this published somewhere regularly?

Not sure I'd say regularly, but they are published when the case numbers are published. Last update is attached and is from 5 August. I got it from Facebook. I'm sure if you listen to the announcement from Friday evening, the newer numbers are mentioned there too. It's not at all consistent.

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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #262502
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Good morning ! New poster here.
Pardon me if this has already been asked, or redirect me to another forum if this is posted elsewhere.
We have a 9d catamaran trip planned for January 2022 and have heard some issues regarding the PCR test on arrival taking between 3 and 24 hours for the result. Also wanted to know where the current mandatory Tortola quarantine occurs in the event that 1 in our group, all vaccinated, would test positive on arrival?
We will certainly give consideration to postponing this trip until 2023 if advised as CDC now recommends against BVI travel at this time. What do you all think?
Thanks in advance!

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It is my understanding that rapid tests are now being performed for arrival tests (at least for arrivals into EIS) - results within 30 minutes. Others will likely chime in on this along with info on quarantine locations. Not sure how they are handling it now - previously you would quarantine on your boat at the dock if some tested positive (all members of the group Q together).

We have traveled to the BVI twice this year - it was well worth all the hoops we climbed through - our first trip entailed multiple tests and a 4 day quarantine on arrival. Still more than worth it. Just about every location on the planet is in category 4 now with CDC - it is a recommendation not a ban.

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Thanks for the info. Where did you quarantine? On your charter, or elsewhere?

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We own a catamaran - we quarantined on her - but this was part of the standard 4 day arrival quarantine for all guests back in March. Everyone was tested on arrival, and again on day 4 before being released from Q back then. Different protocols now.

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Jason, it looks like the numbers of new cases has dropped drastically in the past week or two. I did see that they added 6 new deaths on Aug. 11th. Not sure if that's accurate though. This says about 48% of the pop should be vaccinated if everyone has had 2 doses (which doesn't seem like that is the case as a lot just got their first after this last spike). Just looking for an update if you had one. You've become my best source of information for the island through all this craziness!
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-...-and-territories/british-virgin-islands/


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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #262630
08/16/2021 07:45 AM
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Down to 46 active cases. Deaths are at 37 and hospitalizations are down. Overall, very good news but they just announced the Delta variant has been officially detected in the samples sent for analysis on 4 August.

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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #262646
08/16/2021 12:25 PM
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Jason..any indication that they might start relaxing the entry protocols? You know what we went though in June and hoping to return in October without the nightmares!..

Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: Manpot] #262647
08/16/2021 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Manpot
Jason..any indication that they might start relaxing the entry protocols? You know what we went though in June and hoping to return in October without the nightmares!..

No clue. Since they just detected the Delta variant, I doubt any change is coming soon. They just reduced the ferry counts too.

I can't remember the protocols when you came in June, but I think they have an additional test now. Did you have to take a PCR test at the ferry dock? If not, you do now although it's a rapid antigen test so you get your results before you leave the ferry terminal. And no trackers for vaccinated.


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Re: CDC raises BVI to level 4 Covid [Re: RatmansWife] #262649
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Yes..took the test at the dock. Just hoping we might have some kind of season..dont know how folks are surviving. Fortunately we just have one rental at CRC and that about pays for the basics but folks like you and restaurants are taking it in the shorts.Still hoping to see you in October..

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