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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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02/06/2015 10:19 AM
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As long as this was brought up, I'm curious. Lets say you start in the BVI. You've got your paperwork showing you are checked in. So you go to USVI and check in. If you then just come back to BVI, how would they know you ever left?
Not that I would do this, just curious.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: LocalSailor]
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02/06/2015 01:07 PM
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I call that extortion.
Are you people who say you are stopped in BVI, not Local Sailor, are you being stopped by U.S. or BVI customs? Especially Norman and Salt
We were heading into Charlotte Harbor and were stopped by USCG for a safety inspection. We never stopped moving at 5 kts, boarded underway and was told to hold course. The girl, an obvious rookie (she looked 18) did the inspection, clipboard in hand. The only item missing was the trash disposal sticker, which they gave us and we proudly posted.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: LocalSailor]
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02/06/2015 01:10 PM
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LocalSailor said:
Have I ever been questioned by authorities about clearance?? Let me tell you a true story .
I was driving a private power vessel not on charter with friends aboard to Virgin Gorda from STT on a very rough, bad weather day - I went up the S.side of St. John and in the lee of Norman Is. slowed down to idle - in forward not neutral- to rearrange things and let the passengers move around a bit, smoke and get a beverage - and was boarded by BVI Customs almost immediately - the vessel was not stopped, moored or anchored and I was at the helm and underway at all times until they hailed me.
They went all over the vessel, checked everyones documents and boat papers and assessed us over $500 in 'fines' or said they would seize the vessel and take my passengers to jail and arrest me as Captain for failing to clear in.
I tried to explain that we were en-route to VG to clear in as our destination and had only slowed down, not stopped, to rearrange things in preparation for the passage after some rough water and wet weather on the 1st part of the trip.
They said that since I slowed down just outside the Bight I was planning to enter there and had not cleared in - that was not my intent but could not convince them of my plan to go straight to VG and clear in there.
Lets just say they were less than polite and my passengers actually felt somewhat threatened - I am a long time resident of the USVI and a licensed Captain for decades here but felt my fighting them in Tortola for the rest of the day if they seized the boat would be futile and expensive even if I was somehow declared innocent so we all pooled what cash we had and they settled for about $550 and -- gave me a receipt and clearance papers and a stern warning about how wrong I was and just lucky this time not to be arrested.
The day was ruined for my passengers for a VG trip and they just wanted to go back to the USVI - after going into the old Bones on Norman for a few drinks - paid with a credit card as we had only small change left in cash we returned to the USVI.
As to the OP question: Would I try to do the International trips illegally?? I suggest not. Sounds like a shakedown one would expect in Mexico rather than the BVI.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: NCSailor]
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02/06/2015 01:18 PM
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That does sound like a rough shakedown.
Isn't this why though you are supposed to clear in at the closest customs, which would have been Soper's? By traveling through their waters to clear in, I can certainly understand why they'd raise questions, but clearly they could have handled it differently.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: maytrix]
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02/06/2015 01:30 PM
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My father ran charters out of USVI in the late 70's-until Hugo came through. I can remember him making one point perfectly clear. When headed to the BVI, clear in at the first/closest port of entry, regardless of your final destination or they will make your life a living hell if they catch you. Seems more than one boat was seized and chained back in the day, and your US lawyers are pretty much useless within the BVI legal system. They can bleed you dry $$$ wise while you try to sort it out.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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02/06/2015 02:06 PM
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JasonHelmbrecht said:
I'm not sure if the USVI and BVI immigration offices have the technology, but I know for sure that the US and Canada have the technology to share vessel check-in information.
I've been busted not checking into the US upon return from Canada by boat. My issue came weeks after I was back in the form of a paper warning; not from the US visually seeing me return. Curious if you have Nexus Cards for crossing over and back?
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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02/06/2015 02:28 PM
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LocalSailor said he came around the south side of St. John and then the lee of Norman. West End would still be the closest POE. If he had stayed out on the drop and come in by Round Rock an argument could be made for Spanish Town.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: ski2play]
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02/06/2015 03:12 PM
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ski2play said:
Curious if you have Nexus Cards for crossing over and back? I have Nexus and Global Entry because I fly every week for work but I almost never have a full crew with Nexus so I don't depend on that. On the west end of Lake Erie there are several video phones that can be used for reporting into the U.S. but in Cleveland there is only 1 and it's in a marina that doesn't have good transient dockage for bigger boats so most people docking in Cleveland skip the check-in process. Checking in to Canada is simple because they provide an 800 number to just call and report in. They also patrol the transient docks and you are expect to have your reporting number displayed on the dockside of the vessel if you are a non-Canadian flagged vessel.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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02/06/2015 03:15 PM
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GlennA said:
LocalSailor said he came around the south side of St. John and then the lee of Norman. West End would still be the closest POE. If he had stayed out on the drop and come in by Round Rock an argument could be made for Spanish Town. And I imagine that is why customs had an issue. How do they know what someones intentions are. IF you go to the first/closest port of entry, intentions are clear. If you don't, they are subject to interpretation and that is never a good thing.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: maytrix]
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02/06/2015 03:44 PM
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Story from a Facebook friend today, Captain of their day boat 'Eau La La' was detained and boat seized checking into Jost. I know one of the passengers who's a business owner on St. John. The Captain checked in the boat and himself, but not the passengers. Now the passengers are working on getting back to the USVI.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: RickG]
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02/06/2015 08:40 PM
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I've spent many a day sitting at White Bay watching day boats come in directly from STT. On occasion there have been police and customs folks sitting by the fence at SDB writing down boat names and counting heads. Never saw anyone approached by them, but they were certainly collecting info.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: HillsideView]
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02/06/2015 09:55 PM
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HillsideView said:
I've spent many a day sitting at White Bay watching day boats come in directly from STT. On occasion there have been police and customs folks sitting by the fence at SDB writing down boat names and counting heads. Never saw anyone approached by them, but they were certainly collecting info. That's a good thing. We've had problems at White Bay with some of those idiots that come from the Island of Misfit Toys, and, aside from their animal etiquette, if they're not following the rules, they deserve to get busted.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: tradewinds]
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02/06/2015 10:24 PM
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tradewinds said:HillsideView said:
I've spent many a day sitting at White Bay watching day boats come in directly from STT. On occasion there have been police and customs folks sitting by the fence at SDB writing down boat names and counting heads. Never saw anyone approached by them, but they were certainly collecting info. That's a good thing. We've had problems at White Bay with some of those idiots that come from the Island of Misfit Toys, and, aside from their animal etiquette, if they're not following the rules, they deserve to get busted. It would be nice if the BVI C & I had the same rules as the USA has at the Mexican border <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: tradewinds]
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02/07/2015 09:19 AM
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tradewinds said:HillsideView said:
I've spent many a day sitting at White Bay watching day boats come in directly from STT. On occasion there have been police and customs folks sitting by the fence at SDB writing down boat names and counting heads. Never saw anyone approached by them, but they were certainly collecting info. That's a good thing. We've had problems at White Bay with some of those idiots that come from the Island of Misfit Toys, and, aside from their animal etiquette, if they're not following the rules, they deserve to get busted. And have you ever been in Red Hook and watched the people pile up their Cost-U-Less and Home-Po goodies in their go-fast boats at 8pm? I'm sorry, but there are scoflaws on both sides of the border. And name-calling does not help. Signed, Misfit Toy...
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: tradewinds]
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tradewinds said:I just re-read my post and my intention wasn't to point fingers at St. Thomas. The island of "Misfit Toys" is any island that has that group of ex-pats who are running away from something, like child support, arrest warrants, the IRS. They also seem to have left their manners where they came from <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> US citizens in the USVI aren't expats, the USVI are under the American flag
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
[Re: RickG]
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02/07/2015 10:18 AM
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RickG said:
Story from a Facebook friend today, Captain of their day boat 'Eau La La' was detained and boat seized checking into Jost. I know one of the passengers who's a business owner on St. John. The Captain checked in the boat and himself, but not the passengers. Now the passengers are working on getting back to the USVI. The storie is still evolving. The passengers were detained for a five hours, then released. They got back to Cruz Bay with a local fisherman. "Jailed, fined $10K, boat seized" is what I heard from one of the participants, who also named the captain. There was also a lot of discussion about the practice of charging a customs fee, not checking in the passengers and pocketing the $40 per passenger. If I see anything official I'll post a link. We took the southern route from Coral Bay to VG/Gun Creek in January. After localsailior's story, it makes me wonder if that route is too risky. Cheers, RickG
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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Rick: There was a time when NO one checked in to go to Jost for the day, but anyone who still does it really is a misfit toy. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" /> The captain (paid?)checked himself in but nobody else? Something doesn't add up. Tradewinds: Yes, St Thomians are all here because we're not all there. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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And how is this not insulting? tradewinds said:I just re-read my post and my intention wasn't to point fingers at St. Thomas. The island of "Misfit Toys" is any island that has that group of ex-pats who are running away from something, like child support, arrest warrants, the IRS. They also seem to have left their manners where they came from <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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Nutmeg said:Rick: There was a time when NO one checked in to go to Jost for the day, but anyone who still does it really is a misfit toy. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" /> The captain (paid?)checked himself in but nobody else? Something doesn't add up. Tradewinds: Yes, St Thomians are all here because we're not all there. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> Nutmeg, that saying was said in the late 70's and it wasn't about St Thomas it was about St John Another was St John the worlds largest outdoor asylum.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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sailbynight said:And how is this not insulting? tradewinds said:I just re-read my post and my intention wasn't to point fingers at St. Thomas. The island of "Misfit Toys" is any island that has that group of ex-pats who are running away from something, like child support, arrest warrants, the IRS. They also seem to have left their manners where they came from <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> Umm!! It's an opinion. Why rush to say it's a total Insult? It's open for discussion,,,,, remember this is a forum <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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Here is a FB post from one of the detained passengers. https://www.facebook.com/kkaloplastosRegarding Speedy's, I would think since that is a scheduled run and they know his destination in advance, he could continue on. Some random boat sailing through, they don't know where they are headed.
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Re: Not that I would do anything illegal-customs
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sailbynight said:And how is this not insulting? tradewinds said:I just re-read my post and my intention wasn't to point fingers at St. Thomas. The island of "Misfit Toys" is any island that has that group of ex-pats who are running away from something, like child support, arrest warrants, the IRS. They also seem to have left their manners where they came from <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> It's totally meant to be insulting for those who are insulted by it. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
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