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How have chartered in the Grenadines?

Posted By: saildoggie

How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/01/2013 04:52 PM


Considering something different than the BVI's well over 30 charters there and a bit tried of the place.
Posted By: maytrix

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/01/2013 07:05 PM

Our boat is in St. Lucia and we went down there for the first time in November last year. Had a blast. Much longer sailing legs as the sail from St. Lucia to the southern end of St. Vincent took most of the day - I want to say 8 hours?

We had just as much fun, although we didn't dive at all but we're fine with that. We went as far south as the Tobago Cays and then began our trip back.

A one way from St. Lucia to Grenada or vice versa would be a great way to do it. Seems 2 weeks is also a much better way to do it as well, we'll probably do at least 10 days next time if not 2 weeks.

We may head north next time to Martinique as well, possibly further. Lots of options there!
Posted By: joeandholls

yRe: How have chartered in thelace I'v Grenadines? - 08/01/2013 07:48 PM

Have never chartered in the BVI....always land based (20+ times).....The only place I've ever chartered is in the Grenadines....total blast!...Longer distances between islands....less "refined" beach bars, everything is more "rustic"...more "genuine" Caribbean......Don't get me wrong, I love the BVI, but they are starting to piss me off a bit.....will be down sailing with captain rick in October....join us? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Subaqua

Re: Who has Chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/01/2013 10:55 PM

We took our boat from Grenada to St. Lucia. I would say the good snorkeling/diving wasn't quite as easily found on that trip as in Belize or the BVI (the only 2 other places we've sailed so far, not by far the only places we've dove). Had hoped to experience some stronger winds and waves as that is the reputation the area has, but many times we were on flat water with the motors running. It was quite interesting experiences to be checking in and out of all the countries/islands between Grenada and St. Lucia.. interesting for sure! I know we're booked St. Lucia this fall 2 weeks.. and haven't really decided which direction we'll go.
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/02/2013 12:07 AM

Yo Dawg,

The Diens are incredible but different than the BVI’s. The people are warmer in attitude but other than the Jump Up on Thurs. nite on Bequia there are few organized party spots.

You’re more exposed while in transit than you are on Drake Lake but I’ sure you’ve been around enough to handle that.

The biggest problem with sailing the SVG’s is you can’t get there from here. Which in a way is good.

Anchor anywhere and the ratio between Charter Boats and Cruisers will be totally inverted to the BVI’s which is fine by me as the Cruising community is made up of great people.

Do it with the right attitude and it will become you’re go to destination.

PM me with any questions

Rick

P.S. IF You need a guide I could be bribed
Posted By: Carol_Hill

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/02/2013 11:48 AM

Dawg--If you haven't already, take a look in the (regular) trip report archives, for numerous reports from Sunset Sammy.
Posted By: Jeannius

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/02/2013 05:11 PM

Mark... Give it a try. We've done the Grenadines many times and of course you know how long we've spent in the BVI.

Grenadines is a completely different experience to the BVI. Longer, sometimes wilder sails, and a far greater variety in the islands. Bequia is great fun, Mustique an experience, Mayreau and the Tobago Cays wonderful. We really like Grenada as well for a land based part of the trip.
Posted By: irina

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/03/2013 05:28 PM

Union, Cannouan, PSV, Palm Island and the Tobago Cays. Completely different from BVI. Much prefer the Grenadines.
Cheers and good luck. Fly to BGI to start! LOL
irina
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/04/2013 11:11 PM

Yup, the girls want something new.
Looking closely at Aggie Cat, an RC 47 that was previously with Bare Cat in BVI's.
Barefoot looks like a good operation:

http://www.barefootyachts.com/html/welcome.htm

They have some one-way drop off options that are very reasonable.

Also looking at an R&C 4200 with DSL yachting but it does not have AC
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 12:55 AM

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saildoggie said:
Yup, the girls want something new.
Looking closely at Aggie Cat, an RC 47 that was previously with Bare Cat in BVI's.
Barefoot looks like a good operation:

http://www.barefootyachts.com/html/welcome.htm

They have some one-way drop off options that are very reasonable.

Also looking at an R&C 4200 with DSL yachting but it does not have AC


Mark.

The entire crew at Barefoot are close personal friends so take this for what it’s worth.

This area rocks, but it is what YOU make of it.
Willey “T” = no, ….. Happy Island = yes. But you make your own fun.
Waiting for a ball at the Indians for some incredible snorkeling = No. ….. Swimming with the Turtles at the Tabago Keys = priceless

Mayreu = Nothing like you’ve experienced before.

You’re kind of in the what’s left of the Old Caribbean, the wild west. This area has not been westernized to the point of the BVI’s and for the most part the people are incredibly friendly.

If you go with a flexible what’s next attitude you’ll have the time of your life.
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How many have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 03:14 PM

Thanks Rhans, I am hoping the folks at Barefoot get back to me, 2 emails and a phone message to them and no responses.

Can you PM a good email address? They do not respond to the one on their website.

So much to learn, what currency, how many places we need to clear in, how to get there...Makes it fun, that and navigating the longer passages, the girls say they are up for it and Sailpuppy wants a lot more helm time!!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Sunset_Sammy

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 04:52 PM

We do roundtrip from rdoney Bay St. Lucia usually for 14 days but have also done it in 10. The best trip was a 17 hour overnighter from Soufriere, St. Lucia to Grenada then worked our way back over 12 days. If it were me I would look into a one way either starting in St. Lucia or Grenada. If time is a constraint you could also go from St. Vincent instead of St.Lucia. I've only chartered in the BVI's once, but I think the biggest difference will be the lack of infastructure and facilities. Large supermarkets will only be found on the main islands and topping off water tanks may be a challenge. I know you can top up in Cumberland Bay, St. Vincent and I would imagine also at Union Island, maybe rhans or seth know of a few other spots. As said you pretty much have to make your own fun at most of the islands. Boat boys will apporach you at every anchorage, they have some nice stuff to sell and if you're not interested a simple "no thanks" is usually all it takes. The currency is the EC and is tied to the US dollar 2.67 EC/ US. ATM's are available on the larger islands. Sailing will be a little more intense, we've hit winds up to 50 and it isn't unusual to see them in the 30 knot range. It is a beautiful area and is worth the trouble to get there. The Doyle guide is about the best one for the windwards, mine is pretty well worn. I'll be heading down Dec 18, for the Holiday charter then 10 days between st. Lucia and Martinique, where Dan and Em are going to provision for the Pacific. Jan. 11 we set sail for the San Blas islands, then through the Panama canal and down to the Galapagos Islands till late Feb.
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 06:14 PM

Thanks for the help, just got an email and quote from Seth at Barefoot Charters, what other Companies are reccomended?

Want a 40-50' cat would like to have Gen and AC, watermaker a plus, No Lagoons please.

Barefoot appears to have an excellent reputation and I know Aggie Cat from the BVI's an older R&C 47 with Gen and AC, a fast sailor too. I like their options of alternate drop off locations, one-way charters, there is a small fee but may be worth it.

I will look into getting a Doyle's Guide right now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 06:17 PM

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saildoggie said:
Thanks Rhans, I am hoping the folks at Barefoot get back to me, 2 emails and a phone message to them and no responses.

Can you PM a good email address? They do not respond to the one on their website.


Try barebum@vincysurf.com

They may not be onsite because of festival, not sure, but they will get back to you...and/or office staff is not always there on weekends, either.
Posted By: Jeannius

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 06:32 PM

TMM are down on St Vincent Mark. Mainly older boats but I'm sure they'll be good.
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 07:23 PM

TMM could be an option, they also have a R&C 4700 with gen and AC and also over 10 days for price of 7 during the dates we want, they are a bit more $$ and don't think they offer the return to alternate base option.
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 07:39 PM

Just got a fantastic quote from Barefoot!
$2K less than TMM! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 08:20 PM

Barefoot matched the price that TMM gave me and for a much nicer & bigger boat - they really want your business, and will bend over backwards to get it - really pleased with their willingness to deal, and with their whole operation.

Boats are older, but well cared for, and while they don't always have chase boats, they have places all along the Grenadines if you have any issues with the boat.
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 11:06 PM

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saildoggie said:
Just got a fantastic quote from Barefoot!
$2K less than TMM! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />


Way to go Seth <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/05/2013 11:14 PM

Water St. Vincent, Bequia, Union and Petit Martinique
Posted By: sailn

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/06/2013 10:45 PM

we liked Grenadines, left from st vincent, liked Bequia, mayreau, and Tobago Cays. Did not like Union.
Boat "boys" in the cays were great!! I had only a US $20 bill and he said I will be back with your change. I wondered, but about an hour later, change. bought water in bequia from a water barge. Frangipanni restaurant in bequia was nice. nice people in bequia
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/07/2013 01:09 AM

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sailn said:
we liked Grenadines, left from st vincent, liked Bequia, mayreau, and Tobago Cays. Did not like Union.
Boat "boys" in the cays were great!! I had only a US $20 bill and he said I will be back with your change. I wondered, but about an hour later, change. bought water in bequia from a water barge. Frangipanni restaurant in bequia was nice. nice people in bequia


Union Island has two sides. Clifton for C&I and minor provisioning. Then there's Chathum for decent snorkeling, great beach BBQ.s and now an actual bar/restaurant. Can't comment on the bar as I've never been there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/07/2013 02:32 AM

We have loved St. Vincent charters twice. We have also chartered out of St. Lucia a number of times. Our more than 50 charters started with CSY during 1980 on Roatan. In the 80’s BVI chartering was called amateur hour by many. Today many enjoy the credit card captain labeling…. Easy 3 mile protected sailing/motoring between beach bars. 1000 heavily marketed bareboats in a very competitive market.
St. Vincent and the Grenadines are different. Just a few boats that are mostly older and more worn. Starting with check in at Barefoot you are more on your own. The boat may be on a mooring when you get there. Major steps from the cab to the dock and the dingy ride usually in the dark to the sleep aboard. Some of the boats are a long way from home and well worn after years of charter and Caribbean sun. There is a lot more real sailing. Every day is three or more Anegada’s if you move the boat at all? We generally move the boat one day and stay put the next out of St. Vincent. In the BVI we might move the boat twice a day? We loved it and went back!
The only reason we would ever go back to the BVI is the boats are better and nicer and everything is just easier. Some BVI crews may be spoiled? We have not made it to St, Vincent since TMM opened. Our experience is no bareboat operations from Maine to Europe compare with the BVI operations TMM, Voyage, The Moorings and a few others run on Tortola. After two charters of the most costly boats on Barefoot’s menu we shifted to The Moorings on St, Lucia in search of newer boats coupled with better air travel options. If I were booking a trip today I would look at the boats available both places coupled with the air options. I would also try to understand the current condition of the boats available. Not all charter boats of the same model or year are equal once you leave the BVI!
We will go back as soon as we can for the real sailing, adventure, and interesting people. If Willy T’s and The Soggy Dollar is what you are looking for you may want to stick with the BVI. If chase boats and backup boats in the fleet are important to your crew you may want to stay in the BVI. My experience is the sailing is more exhilarating and the shore time is much quieter and sometimes of better quality every inch you get further away from St. Thomas? Those that think Anegada is an adventure may not be ready for this trip.
Posted By: sailn

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/07/2013 12:27 PM

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Anonymous said:
We have loved St. Vincent charters twice. We have also chartered out of St. Lucia a number of times. Our more than 50 charters started with CSY during 1980 on Roatan. In the 80’s BVI chartering was called amateur hour by many. Today many enjoy the credit card captain labeling…. Easy 3 mile protected sailing/motoring between beach bars. 1000 heavily marketed bareboats in a very competitive market.
St. Vincent and the Grenadines are different. Just a few boats that are mostly older and more worn. Starting with check in at Barefoot you are more on your own. The boat may be on a mooring when you get there. Major steps from the cab to the dock and the dingy ride usually in the dark to the sleep aboard. Some of the boats are a long way from home and well worn after years of charter and Caribbean sun. There is a lot more real sailing. Every day is three or more Anegada’s if you move the boat at all? We generally move the boat one day and stay put the next out of St. Vincent. In the BVI we might move the boat twice a day? We loved it and went back!
The only reason we would ever go back to the BVI is the boats are better and nicer and everything is just easier. Some BVI crews may be spoiled? We have not made it to St, Vincent since TMM opened. Our experience is no bareboat operations from Maine to Europe compare with the BVI operations TMM, Voyage, The Moorings and a few others run on Tortola. After two charters of the most costly boats on Barefoot’s menu we shifted to The Moorings on St, Lucia in search of newer boats coupled with better air travel options. If I were booking a trip today I would look at the boats available both places coupled with the air options. I would also try to understand the current condition of the boats available. Not all charter boats of the same model or year are equal once you leave the BVI!
We will go back as soon as we can for the real sailing, adventure, and interesting people. If Willy T’s and The Soggy Dollar is what you are looking for you may want to stick with the BVI. If chase boats and backup boats in the fleet are important to your crew you may want to stay in the BVI. My experience is the sailing is more exhilarating and the shore time is much quieter and sometimes of better quality every inch you get further away from St. Thomas? Those that think Anegada is an adventure may not be ready for this trip.



when we were last in Grenadines, there was no government rescue service to call and no sea tow services either.
we also had mechanical problems, auto pilot broke, and engine drive shaft went missing causing a big leak (bilge pump was inoperative).
Posted By: polaris

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/12/2013 10:40 PM

After several wonderful sailing trips in the Grenadines my crew made it clear they would never go back if it meant flying LIAT. Those numerous terrible experiences (e.g., passengers physically assaulting flight crew to bring checked baggage onboard, luggage delivered at end of charter, boat parts air shipped flew around a whole day, etc.) more than overcame the great sailing. Regarding Barefoot, beware their "Legends" (or whatever they call their second tier boats) boats and do not believe the "fully refurbished" promo.

To be clear, the sailing is great! Depending on conditions, your first five minutes out of St. Vincent will be more fun than a year's worth of sailing in BVI. As stated earlier, the boats you will see are not the cookie-cutter charters (thanks Moorings!) you will see parked door-handle to door-handle in BVI.
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/13/2013 01:19 AM

Agree LIAT is a royal PAIN, but that might be why you don’t see the concentration of charter boats there as “Leave 6:00 am arrive by noon” destination.

Your comments on second, third …. Tier boats is unfair. Older boats are well – Older boats and are chartered at a reduced rate because they’re Older Boats.

On inspection they bring everything that’s obvious up to acceptable levels – But it’s still a seasoned boat and without a crystal ball you have no idea what might fail in the next 10 minutes.

If it doesn’t work when you picked it up then shame on them. If something fails later – well it’s not a 1st tier boat and some inconvenience although regrettable should be tolerable. All depends on how it’s handled.

For what it’s worth I fix old boats for a living
Posted By: Seth

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/13/2013 01:49 PM

rhans - to clarify: polaris had a bad experience sailing with Barefoot some time ago. His complaints were entirely justified as the boat was not up to scratch and Barefoot was at fault in this regard. I'm afraid we ain't perfect, but we do try our best and we do try to step up and do the right thing when we haven't got it right....
Posted By: polaris

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/13/2013 02:40 PM

Seth is right that I had the bad luck to select a boat which, it turned out, was dropped from their fleet soon thereafter. To be clear, I selected the boat knowing it was in their second tier fleet - I was attracted to the $$$. Barefoot did acknowledge all the problems and settled with a fair financial accomodation. However, it was clear that whatever "refurbishing" done a couple years before had not addressed many of the problems.

Seth, what is the status of the new airport and the possibility of new airlines serving the island?
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/14/2013 12:24 AM

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Seth said:
rhans - to clarify: polaris had a bad experience sailing with Barefoot some time ago. His complaints were entirely justified as the boat was not up to scratch and Barefoot was at fault in this regard. I'm afraid we ain't perfect, but we do try our best and we do try to step up and do the right thing when we haven't got it right....


Great to see you chime in Seth, your email replies have been great and I have a comfort level with Barefoot, Aggie Cat and also everything I am reading here and the Cruising Guide, etc. Looking forward to meeting you in July 2014.
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/14/2013 01:07 AM

Hey Mark, Find Chalkey when you get there. I gave him a Cuban Yo-yo that I made and if he still has it's great for trolling on passage. Check out Chatham on the west side of Union. Anchor up close to the north - east side of the bay and snorkel towards the west. Be prepared for a few gusts from the peaks, they're normally quick and then go away fast.

In the Mayrue area look for a small boat with a pink bottom and you've found Walter. Besides the best bread he can direct you to almost anything you need.

Willey can be a hoot but will probably be in Canada in July.

Do you accept Stow Aways?

Have a ball

Rick
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/14/2013 03:31 PM

Thanks Rick!
Will bring two Ocean handlines and lots of lures along.
Have not checked into fishing regulations and don't know if I need fishing permits yet.

Early in the planning stages! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: windward2c

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/14/2013 06:31 PM

Chartered from Sunsail in SV (are they still open) and had a fairly positive expereince. We had booked a big mono (the first for most of my crew) but they had a newer moorings 46 (just arrived on a one way from SXM I think but didnt need to get back for a while) and they upgraded for like a few hundred (score! Would not happen in BVI). Seems so much less corporate than Wickhams Cay. Loved the sailing and almost all of the stops. Everyone was super friendly - cab driver went to his girlfriends when he heard us complaining that we could not find limes for our drinks in the supermarket). Note all the horror stories from LIAT but we had a great expereince (just luck of the draw I guess). One notable problem: On last day return from Mustique I very large hatch fell on my arm and cut thru to the boat (looked worse than it was but looked like stuff was hanging out) - I was the only real competent sailor so we lowered the sails to power with my instructions but we had been having trouble with the gear not engaging in forward in one of the engines all trip and they could not fix). We limped back with with my arm closed up using sterri strips but I clearly needed something more permanent. There was virtually nowhere and no one to help other than going to the hospital - which I was very much against as I was headed to Barbados in 5 hours and would wait if I was not going to bleed out. Local doc I would use - not going to wait in SV hospital though. Point is that even basic medical care was impossible to find - not mention limes. Still, I would ABSOLUETLY go back. Found the boat boys helpful and left after. Still found bear bars and decent food in some places, more challenges mean better rewards!
Posted By: Sunset_Sammy

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/15/2013 11:01 AM

No fishing permits needed in SVG, however visitors are not allowed to take lobster or conch and sea urchins are protected. If you are doing 10 days out of SV you will have plenty of time to see all the best stops. You should try to get to Carriacou, even though it will mean clearing customs. They have installed mooring balls at Sandy Island and the beach at Petit Carenage, in Windward, is one of our favorites.
Posted By: Seth

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/15/2013 03:42 PM

saildoggie - thanks!

For fi
shing - note also that use of spear-guns by visitors is prohibited
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/15/2013 06:33 PM

Talking with a Facebook friend that just returned, he is thinking about joining us same dates on another cat and has a client that may also want a boat, mini flotilla starting July 1? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />

Are you on here Mark?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/15/2013 06:41 PM

I just registered. Still waiting for my confirmation email. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/15/2013 06:44 PM

FYI, you don't need fishing permits but there are some rules. No fishing unless your moving (sailing or motoring). and so fishing within the borders of the marine parks/reserves such as the Tobag Cays.
Posted By: CaptMark

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/16/2013 03:29 AM

Mark, one thing I forgot to mention, and I only found this out this trip to the Grenadines. Whatever you do go before August 1st. Not that I have anything against the french but that is when the holidays start in France. I've been in Late June early July and my pick of anchorages and mooring balls. This year I went late July and Early August and the bays were packed with French charters. Not only is it busy but they pretty much keep to themselves so if your social ( <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" />) it's a bit of a bummer. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: joeandholls

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/16/2013 06:14 PM

Funny you should mention that. We were there in late July a couple of years ago, and yes there were ALOT of French boats sailing down from Martinique etc...Saltwhistle Bay was chuck full of them when we pulled in. Fortunately, one of the girls on our boat spoke perfect French (as her first language), and another was from Holland, and had a working/passable knowledge of French. As soon as they started a conversation in French, most of the French crews rolled into English quickly with the rest of us. I think they do keep to themselves, and are protective of their language/heritage, but are plenty friendly once they know they have your respect of said language/heritage. I have nothing against the French, they certainly know how to have fun, and are definitely more multi lingual than many N. Americans.....just know that they won't break the ice in English, unless you break the ice in French. Can't wait to get down there in 2 months! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: SouthCarolina

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/16/2013 11:52 PM

We were anchored off of Mayreau and a wonderful boat of frenchmen brought us a huge mahi steak. They were a father and son team that had sailed over from France on their cat and were working their way up the Grenadines. Really nice guys and they approached us. We had a blast. It is a beautiful area. Absolutely nothing like the BVIs. Have fun Mr. Doggie, we certainly did.
Jo
Posted By: Seth

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/17/2013 03:31 PM

polaris - new airport will probably open some time in 2014
Posted By: Twanger

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/20/2013 06:47 PM

Somehow missed this thread... We chartered from Barefoot a couple of years back. Wind Dancer, a 40-foot Catalina.

Sailed from St. Vincent down to around Petite St. Vincent and back again.

Wind Dancer, to my knowledge, has been repo'd and is longer available.

I have a detailed chart with inset chartlets and sailing times I can email to interested parties. Send me a PM...

edit: lets see if this works...

Here's a small version of the chart.

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a large version can be found at http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/svg_routes_052410s.jpg

Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/20/2013 07:28 PM

Really cool Walt, you otta get a boat and join us!
Looks like we have 2 cats about to book, more the merrier! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Twanger

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/20/2013 07:50 PM

ok, but I want to see you tack a Cat through here with the wind on the nose... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duel.gif" alt="" />



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Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/20/2013 10:57 PM

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Twanger said:
ok, but I want to see you tack a Cat through here with the wind on the nose... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duel.gif" alt="" />



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Walt, If you were heading north the first tack looks a little lazy but the second and third was spot on perfect <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
For a furling main Windancer would get closer to the wind than you would expect. To bad she's no longer in the fleet.
Posted By: Twanger

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/21/2013 03:32 PM

Rhans -
On that day we were headed south-south-east with the wind on the nose, headed directly through that gap (of course).
Such was our luck during our trip.
We fought foul winds both ways!
It made us better sailors though.

After a few days we finally figured out how to sail Wind Dancer well up-wind. I'm sure you know all the tricks.
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Here's what I wrote in my trip log about sailing Wind Dancer to windward on our 11-mile leg from Mayreau to PSV.[/color]

"Our eastward progress was miserable, and during the close hauled run across the channel I played with the main traveler and Woody the helm until we found the right combination to maximize speed and windward progress. It immediately became clear that I’d have to crank the traveler to the windward side of the boat on every tack. Running with the main traveler in the center and letting the main tend itself was costing us 20 degrees tack-to-tack! Not wanting to get too close to Union Island and have the wind change back east I called a tack back into the channel, and then another tack SSW once we had the angle to make it between Clifton and Palm Island. On every tack the sequence was the same: Call “prepare to come about!” (aye, aye, aye from the crew), then helms alee!, Woody would turn us through the eye of the wind, and Barb and Lisa would wait for the jib to back for two seconds and then let-fly the windward sheet in a smooth controlled manner. Barb or Lisa would then haul the big jib in on the leeward side as fast as they could, and just about the time they ran out of steam on the winch I’d have the main traveler over to windward and then jump to the jib winch and crank it down tight the rest of the way. Woody quickly learned how hard to throw the helm over. Turning too hard stops Wind Dancer almost dead, and turning too easy takes too long and you also lose boat speed. We were becoming a well oiled machine. All the tacking with the big sails was really getting us a good upper body workout!"


[color:"blue"]And sailing south through the gap between Punaise and Mopion...[/color]

"Here’s the quick analysis… It’s 400 yards across the gap from shoal to shoal. There are coral heads marked on the chart on the Mopian side but of course I would not trust the GPS to micro-navigate around them. Chart plotters provide excellent context but not absolutes. I figure if we leave 100 yards of margin on either side for chart and navigation uncertainties, that leaves only 200 yards of safe water, or 600 feet. One knot is 100 feet per minute, so at five knots we could travel completely across the ‘safe water’ area in 70-ish seconds. Coming through close hauled at an angle of 45-degrees we’d have a little more time… perhaps 100 seconds (approximately the square-root of 2 times 70). That is not much time. Heck, it was taking us about 20 seconds to tack! Knocking off 20 seconds to tack on both ends leaves 60 seconds of sailing time in the gap. Just barely enough. So after figuring the numbers, the gap looked small but doable. The channel would support a full tack in the middle if necessary.

So on a starboard tack headed south east we pushed as close as I dared to Mopian, and when about 100 yards from the danger line (visually estimated and by the GPS) we tacked south west, hoping to clear the channel. However, it soon became clear we’d never make it past the south side of the Punaise reef. So now directly between the islands we pushed as close to Punaise as I dared. Waiting to call the tack I judged the distance to Punaise and the reef that I knew was 100 yards closer. In the back of my mind I was thinking that this was not the time to blow a tack and get pushed down on the reef with a headsail backed because of a winch jam. We had to do this one right. We had not bungled a tack all day so I was not overly worried. Three hundred yards out from Punais I called ‘prepare to come about!’ The one hundred yard from Island to reef and 100 yards of buffer from the reef left 100 yards to go, which at four knots is about 45 seconds. I’m standing between the main sheet winches looking ahead to Punais and then back at Woody at the helm and Lisa and Barb at the jib sheets. They all confirm “ready about.” Ten seconds from my turn spot in the water Woody looks at me a little nervously and says “Don’t you think we should tack!?” I grin and think “So much for the math!” His intuition was good, and I called “helms a lee!” The fleeting concerns about bungling a tack were unfounded and we made a quick and efficient tack back to the south east and shot through the gap into “Crazy Corrigan’s Crooked Passage,” which is name of the north-east end of the broad calm sound between PSV to the east, PM to the south, and Carricou to the west. This was exhilarating sailing, but it was over all too soon."
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/22/2013 03:10 PM

Great stuff Walt!
Gotta love Woody!
Why don't you look at Barefoot's fleet and join us for 10-12 days starting July 1, 2014!
We already have Mucho Gusto, Capt. Mark Pratley joining us, hands off Aggie Cat, she is mine!!

TTOL Flotilla South! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Twanger

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/22/2013 05:47 PM

We're thinking about it Mark!
Posted By: CaptMark

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/23/2013 05:12 AM

Hi folks,

Chiming in for the first time here. If anyone is considering joining our Grenadines 2014 Flotilla (saildoggie and CaptMark) on July 1st for 12 days please let me know. I'm developing a website and doing a video for Barefoot and might be able to get you a good rate. The more boats the better! You can reach me on Skype at - mark_pratley <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/pirate.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/23/2013 02:48 PM

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CaptMark said:
Hi folks,

Chiming in for the first time here. If anyone is considering joining our Grenadines 2014 Flotilla (saildoggie and CaptMark) on July 1st for 12 days please let me know. I'm developing a website and doing a video for Barefoot and might be able to get you a good rate. The more boats the better! You can reach me on Skype at - mark_pratley <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/pirate.gif" alt="" />


This is great for sailors that have not yet experienced the Grenadines, having Capt. Mark guide us along to all the cool spots!
Posted By: QueenFifi

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/23/2013 03:24 PM

I think we would like to go!
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/23/2013 06:12 PM

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QueenFifi said:
I think we would like to go!


Cool, check the site and see what boat looks good to you! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: sail2wind

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 12:49 AM

we are moving our boat south for the 2014 hurricane season, not sure where yet. St.Martin might be the easiest and most convenient to fly into. We will probably be down for those dates. We are not sure of the flotilla part, but would love to run into some TTOL friends and have a few drinks.
Posted By: Winterstale

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 03:44 AM

Fair winds, all - flights upwards of $800 into GND from LAX and a charter on top of that? Not going to happen in our near future...and we're already booked for the BVI in May. Hope you all have a great time!
Posted By: Jeannius

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 07:08 AM

Evan... If you are looking to go south for hurricane season, Grenada is your best bet. Pretty much out of the belt and very well set up either to leave your boat or to liveaboard. Very big cruising community down there. email or pm me if you want more details or recommendations.
Posted By: QueenFifi

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 03:16 PM

Please post the site so that we can check it out. Barecat? Or do you use a broker? Where do we charter out of?
Posted By: LastMango

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 04:56 PM

It's Barefoot and Horizon out of St. Vincent. See first page of this thread for link to Barefoot.
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 06:52 PM

Barefoot will be getting back to me shortly on which other yachts are available for a July 1 charter start.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 09:27 PM

Unless it has moved recently, St. Martin barely qualifies as south of the Virgins ;•}
Posted By: sail2wind

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/24/2013 11:46 PM

let's see 18.06 for St.Martin, 18.64 for BVI, me thinks that's south
Posted By: rhans

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/25/2013 01:27 AM

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sail2wind said:
let's see 18.06 for St.Martin, 18.64 for BVI, me thinks that's south


Mike has a good suggestion, Granada is only 5 to 6 hundred miles south with favorable wind 3 to 6 days.

Major airport and decent yacht services.
Posted By: tradewinds

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/25/2013 12:37 PM

Grenada has the nicest people in the Caribbean, too.
Posted By: sail2wind

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/25/2013 04:03 PM

When looking at airfare from Colorado to Grenada, it was 25-30 hours and over $1100 for coach. I can get to SXM with 2 flights and 6-7 hours and fly first class for the same price. Grenada does have some of the nicest people in the Caribbean and it's beautiful.
Posted By: CaptMark

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/26/2013 06:07 PM

Hi Mark,

Looking forward to our sailing vacation with you from Barefoot Yacht Charters again next year. We are chartering La Mouette (Lagoon 380 owners version). Hopefully we'll catch some fish this year. How many boats are we up too? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Banana.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: CaptainRick

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/26/2013 08:07 PM

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tradewinds said:
Grenada has the nicest people in the Caribbean, too.


Got that right, one of my top 3 favorite islands in the Caribbean for just that reason, and we've been sailing them for almost 10 years, currently on 5th summer season in Grenada and Grenadines! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: saildoggie

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/26/2013 09:28 PM

Will be aboard Aggie Cat.

We have moved the start date to June 28 will start a fresh thread soon.
Queen Fifi is interested in a cat and maybe a couple others.
Posted By: BVIdreamin

Re: How have chartered in the Grenadines? - 08/27/2013 12:33 AM

Dog, we loved our sail to the greadines a few years back. Everyone wants to go back, just hoping the new airport will be serviced by the big boys to make it easier to get there and back.

We have some wild rides and winds.(10-12 ft and 30+ winds) We were thinking of some place new next year also. You will not regret it and Barefoot sounds like the way to go...

Have some pic and stories that can not be shared on the fourm. wink
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