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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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We are in the same boat, we have a trip next month and have a 12 year old. We are fully vaccinated but obviously at 12 she is not. I assume they will release information about 5 days before the change.
We are trying to schedule our daughter for the shot on the first day it is allowed and with Pfizer you can technically have as little as 17 days between shots per scheduling guidance (21 is stnd) . So the potential window for first shot is about 4 and a half weeks before travel.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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That would be nice. Please post here if there are changes to the official website.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Interesting that they added a Day 4 test requirement for kids, but at least they are released - though he did say something about a bubble - after the Day 0 test results. The Day 7 test for the day trip people from the BVI was an unexpected twist!
Progress, at least!
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Thanks for the good note taking Jason! While there is no mention of it, sounds like trackers have gone away. I wonder if the insurance requirements are the same.
I would assume the insurance is the same but no clear mention. I'm curious about the trackers too. It was not mentioned and they don't really seem to work anyway but the fee implies they will still be around. The fee breakdown currently is $70 for each of the 2 tests and $35 for the rental of the tracker. The fee was reduced by $70, the cost of 1 test so I'm not sure what's happening. Hopefully, the written announcement will clarify.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
[Re: Olly]
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No mention of arrival quotas, do we assume that it's still limited to 50 by ferry and 120 by air?
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Thank you for the update Jason! We are traveling with my 12 year old and have been eagerly awaiting this update. Question for whoever might know- can she get her day 4 test on Anegada? We were planning on being there on our Days 4 and 5.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Thank you for the update Jason! We are traveling with my 12 year old and have been eagerly awaiting this update. Question for whoever might know- can she get her day 4 test on Anegada? We were planning on being there on our Days 4 and 5. If you are chartering, I'd check with you charter company. So far, they have required charter guests to take the day 4 test on Tortola. They recently started allowing at least Moorings guest to go back to the base but most boats go to Nanny Cay. Anegada land-stay people can do their Day 4 test on Anegada but only on ferry days or days there happens to be a flight. That means sometimes people are waiting until day 5 to take their test.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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I have been hard on the BVI but I think this is a reasonable compromise for unvaccinated children. Agree...the only thing I wish they did MUCH better is communicate the details of the process and simplify the process. There are 2 ladies in the BVI that are carrying most of load getting people through the portal. But this time they did signal a change in advance and follow up with some clarity before the deadline for implementation
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Thank you for the update Jason! We are traveling with my 12 year old and have been eagerly awaiting this update. Question for whoever might know- can she get her day 4 test on Anegada? We were planning on being there on our Days 4 and 5. If you are chartering, I'd check with you charter company. So far, they have required charter guests to take the day 4 test on Tortola. They recently started allowing at least Moorings guest to go back to the base but most boats go to Nanny Cay. Anegada land-stay people can do their Day 4 test on Anegada but only on ferry days or days there happens to be a flight. That means sometimes people are waiting until day 5 to take their test. Thanks Jason. I will check in with BVI Yacht Charters.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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What is the difference between “Staying in the family bubble” vs quarantine for the groups with unvaccinated children? It's pretty vague but I think it's intended to mean the children need to stay with their parents/guardians. Don't send kids to camps, day cares, schools, etc until the Day 4 test results prove negative.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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The recent announcement indicates that a mix of vaccinated crew (that’s us) and non-vaccinated (our friends from Italy) must quarantine for 7 days! How is it possible to provision for a week with no freezer and limited storage for 28 gallons of drinking water on a 41 foot boat? And no refueling or taking on water? This is getting ridiculous. Is anyone within the charter industry raising objections? Like allowing vaccinated individuals to get off the boat? You can have provisions delivered to Nanny Cay docks and they will also let you take on water. I'm guessing you can do the same at your charter base.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Thanks Jason. We use Horizon out of Nanny Cay, so that's good. So you are saying that in addition to the initial provisioning, we can return for replenishment? Also, I think I have seen reference to day 4 testing (now day 7?) at Nanny Cay. Is that accurate? I would check with your charter company about returning to pickup provisions to know for sure. Yes, most people go to Nanny Cay for Day 4(7) testing.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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When does the new 7 day quarantine go into effect? Dies it effect people on a boat now? Could be a bunch of canceled boat and Villa bookings.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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The tests are done at the clinic then sent to Pebbles for processing - count on late the day after for results - tests are done at 10 am
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
[Re: Olly]
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Indeed this doesn’t make a lot of sense from a disease control standpoint or the logistics of handling.
On the one hand they are allowing more freedom of movement sooner for vaccinated individuals. That’s good.. it was imperative to do it if they were going to have any sort of tourist season and not have the charter and land based businesses suffer even more harm.
Yet they require testing before entry and testing at entry for vaccinated tourists. Okay but they are allowing vaccinated passengers off cruise ships with no prior testing to wander around immediately. Cruise ship passengers that have been mingling in closed spaces with passengers and crew from everywhere. They will be visiting several islands before getting to the bvi. Taken together this makes no sense.
The other problem is testing. With very few people coming in, testing times are unpredictable and mostly slower than promised. I’m sure people relying on this latest plan, will be making reservations for boats and villas for the summer. However the government seems to make decisions on the fly without considering details. There is obviously a lack of testing capacity or trained people to perform these tests. From the reports of poor technique in obtaining specimens above, I suspect the lab is not what you would see in most medical facilities testing on a large scale. I worry If you triple the incoming tests, if they stick with pcr testing they will get far behind in having results and sloppy in running tests. The health minister talked about moving to rapid tests. IMO they will have to for this to succeed.
This would be a disaster otherwise. It will possibly impact getting the test run for return to the us.Also changing the quarantine from 4 to 7 when people have booked vacations ahead of time seems arbitrary with short lead time if there are areas where they cannot be vaccinated or any reason they cannot.. In addition many people I am sure will be unaware of the change.
What makes sense to me is to allow vaccinated visitors with a negative test access without further testing until that necessary to leave if still in place. Children traveling with vaccinated travelers tested before travel and on arrival ..no further testing.
The bvi is going to have some Covid cases . With thousands of cruise ship passengers every week off a congregate facility is a much bigger problem. They should then save the testing for unvaccinated adults and testing and tracing of the cases that will be bound to happen in the population that is less than 50% vaccinated. Look for some snafus.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Well I heard a blurb on CNBC that US is going to start accepting self administered quick tests for re entry. They will be monitored by a telehealth provider that has been authorized. I have no idea but this really helps change the game. One of my fears with increased testing and possible delays in their lab system was that the three day test at the end might be a problem getting results and a source of angst. No details were given or timeline.
With this change if goes smoothly it won’t require anything but an internet feed. And I strongly suspect the bvi will be going to quick tests before too long.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Will, I read something about the new CDC allowed self administered tests as well. But got me wondering how it would work? A friend did one to get approved for Maui a few months ago. She got online with a nurse who watched the family get the samples and then my friend sent these via FedEx to the lab. Results were quick via email.
However if we are in the BVI how would we get the the test samples to a lab? Which lab? In the US? STT? PR? Is there an overnight delivery company in BVI to get the samples anywhere fast?
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Will, I read something about the new CDC allowed self administered tests as well. But got me wondering how it would work? A friend did one to get approved for Maui a few months ago. She got online with a nurse who watched the family get the samples and then my friend sent these via FedEx to the lab. Results were quick via email.
However if we are in the BVI how would we get the the test samples to a lab? Which lab? In the US? STT? PR? Is there an overnight delivery company in BVI to get the samples anywhere fast? I regularly fedex items to the US. We also have UPS.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Will, I read something about the new CDC allowed self administered tests as well. But got me wondering how it would work? A friend did one to get approved for Maui a few months ago. She got online with a nurse who watched the family get the samples and then my friend sent these via FedEx to the lab. Results were quick via email.
However if we are in the BVI how would we get the the test samples to a lab? Which lab? In the US? STT? PR? Is there an overnight delivery company in BVI to get the samples anywhere fast? “Fast” and “BVI” may never be used in the same sentence. Repetitive use will cause internet to crash.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Does anyone know if required day 4 testing for unvaccinated children can be done at any of the testing locations (Spanish Town, Jost, Tortola), or is it required to be done on Tortola via Nanny Cay as was the case prior to 5/15? I emailed BVI Yacht Charters and asked this question, as our plan is to be on Anegada for Days 4-5. They said it would be fine for my daughter to get her Day 4 test there.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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As I understood the piece they were using the at home rapid tests now available and monitoring by a tele health group. You did the rapid test, they certified their monitoring and you got some sort of certification. It was just a blip th3y read before an interview with Gottleib. I tried googling and have found nothing about it, I’ve sent a number of things to bvi via fedex, never reverse., I don’t think that would work as far as easing stress.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Jason - what are costs to FedEx from BVI? I just had a quote to send docs from MI to Tortola and it was $105!!! I would not bank (literally) on sending self administered tests for exit approval/US reentry and you would need to find a pick-up location. We tested for exit on JVD and it was fast efficient and friendly. I sent some documents last week and it was $79.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Does anyone know if required day 4 testing for unvaccinated children can be done at any of the testing locations (Spanish Town, Jost, Tortola), or is it required to be done on Tortola via Nanny Cay as was the case prior to 5/15? I emailed BVI Yacht Charters and asked this question, as our plan is to be on Anegada for Days 4-5. They said it would be fine for my daughter to get her Day 4 test there. Keep in mind you can only test in Anegada on days there is a morning ferry (Monday, Wednesday, or Friday) or a known flight. If your Day 4 is Saturday, you'll have to wait until Day 6 to take her test.
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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Does anyone know if required day 4 testing for unvaccinated children can be done at any of the testing locations (Spanish Town, Jost, Tortola), or is it required to be done on Tortola via Nanny Cay as was the case prior to 5/15? I emailed BVI Yacht Charters and asked this question, as our plan is to be on Anegada for Days 4-5. They said it would be fine for my daughter to get her Day 4 test there. Keep in mind you can only test in Anegada on days there is a morning ferry (Monday, Wednesday, or Friday) or a known flight. If your Day 4 is Saturday, you'll have to wait until Day 6 to take her test. Thanks Jason, that's good info. Our Day 4 is a Wednesday!
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Re: May 15th BVI Changes for Vaccine - Children
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The Lucira test (which has an associated app) will send you a report of your results.
Here is the entry from their FAQ:
"How does LUCI PASS work for travel?
Lucira is a high performing PCR quality molecular test, equivalent to other tests accepted by most travel destinations. LUCI PASS has also been designed to help you use it for travel.Your LUCI PASS will display:·
Your verified test result, including the date and time of your test results· Information regarding Lucira’s accuracy, clinical performance and ability to detect Covid variants· A link to the FDA website that displays Lucira’s FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) While we believe Lucira’s test should be acceptable for most travel, It is important to check with your airline and/or travel destination for further details and restrictions, as this may vary from destination to destination.
Note that Lucira is not yet approved for travel to the State of Hawaii. We hope to be soon."
$55 from their website.
Unknown at this moment if this meets the requirements.
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