Alegria wants to get rid of The Dream pool bar

Story on the Daily Herald website. Decision is due June 12th. If previous rulings are any indicator, I would say things don't look too good for Marty.

If he is forced to leave, I hope he's at least given fair value for the business he developed over the past several years.

Weird, the paper claims there was no lease agreement between him and Alegria. I sure thought he said there was.

I though the lease was with Manak and not Alegria.

That's certainly what the PAPER said, but I recall Marty saying he had an agreement with Alegria...

Many be he assumed the lease transferred over with the sale.

He did have an agreement with Alegria, but perhaps it was verbal.

He certainly said he had an agreement. However anyone who makes a verbal agreement with those people is not very wise.

Verbal agreement - yes; signed - no. We realized after being there last February that the possibility of Marty not being there next year was very real. Too bad.

Could'nt happen to a nicer guy! LOL

That is an opinion, and we all know what opinions are worth.

Correct but we are all entited to at least one.

wow, that's harsh...

Yes, but always consider the source.

Boy. All I can say is that Alegria hasn't made many friends on the island.

The group that bought Alegria obviously didn't care about any of the timeshare owners....we all saw what they did to them.....what would make anyone think that Marty and his business was safe from these people????? Unfortunately for Marty, he doesn't own the space...so if the landlords want to put their own in there, there really isn't much that could be done. If the landowners want the tenants out....the landlord will win. Just stating the facts. i hope Marty can save his hard earned business...but probably won't be there.

If the facts in the article are true there were other issues caused by Marty that entered into Alegria's decision to want him gone.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you...

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Yep!

Must be my lucky day. Just got back from Hollywood and won there too. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" />

Well congratulations!! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" />

Alegria has done all they can to get Marty out, with out success. Now they are attempting to do what they can including the insults they listed in another attempt to find a legal way to get him to leave. If it was simple and easy for Alegria, it would have been closed for several months.

Marty has created something out of this pool bar that makes it a destination for many that do not even stay at the resort. I hope he at least gets something for all his efforts.

I wish him the best, it sure would be nice to see him get a win against Alegria.

Cheers,
Todd

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Not true , because they did win the Court case against him.

Sorry "they did win the Court case against win".. Huh?

Marty says he has 7 years left on his lease. Apparently C Lounge just won their case and still has 10 years left on their lease and will be reopening. I guess there is a chance he might be staying.

His lease with whom?? Manek??

He didn't say. He posted that information to one of the facebook forums.

Now what does Marty think of Alegria since in the beginning ,he was praising them.

My understanding is that a lease must be honored in a bankruptcy action.

By what country's laws are you stating this? Were not in Kansas anymore. Forclosure and bankruptcy are two different things.

Weren't the timeshare agreements leases? They weren't honored.

I confess to be totally confused as to the legality of the whole thing of whether they need to honor a lease from Manek, which has to be what we're talking about. But, regardless of the personal accusations (which if true, would be damaging to the resort), the DH story said that Alegria claimed that he hasn't paid any rent OR electric or water bills. IF! that's true, I have zero sympathy for someone that doesn't pay their rent...

Alegria claims that time shares were done without bank permission and thus illegal.

Yes but we need to keep in mind that the media doesn't always report things accurately and also need to keep in mind the folks who are giving the information for the article. Alegria has had a hidden agenda for awhile and now that it is in court all this other stuff is coming up. Shouldn't it have been an issue before? Not paying bills? That isn't what first came up with this. In April this resort was dead , 3 times while we were there. No one at the pool, no one around the buildings. Only some (outside) patrons at Marty's bar. Sounds like the resort wants to be high end so is limiting access to the bar (yes we were declined entry) so they can cater to high end clientele. Without the bar the place is nothing. People may or may not like Marty or his style but he is honest and perhaps he trusted the wrong people. Personally the bar is the only appeal of the place. And perhaps none of us have all the facts.

He has the rent checks written; Alegria refuses to accept them.

I assume Alegria's attorneys have instructed them not to accept them. Besides, checks don't always clear the bank and if as another poster stated there has been no business perhaps writing checks without funds to cover is only a way to show intent to pay and Alegaria's accepting the checks is a confirmation of a lease agreement.

You are correct that we don't know all the facts. But at the end of the day, the fact is that they own the property that the bar is on, and if they want him out, they will ultimately get him out. Whether the resort has any business or not is irrelevant to the question of whether he has a lease or not, and whether he violated the lease. As the owners of the resort, shouldn't they be able to limit who comes in to a bar on their property? SXM law is different from the US, for sure, but here in Florida, he would be out on his ear in a heartbeat, unless he paid ALL the monies due into the court in escrow. SXM law is very different though and my understanding is that people can go on for years without paying rent. But in the end, it's a bar on their property, and unless he has an enforceable lease, he will be out.

That's absolutely true, Carol, we don't know all the facts. The bottom line is that Alegria wants Marty out, period. Maybe they plan to bring in their own personnel to replace Marty. Good luck with that idea because not one of Marty's followers will ever visit that place again. And, if Alegria plans to rely on it's overnight-hotel guests to fill the bar, good luck as there are no guests at a 3% usage rate. What I find absolutely annoying is that Marty has been accused of creating an unsafe area around the pool by personal actions which is a lot of bull. We've known him for years and he's not the man described in the injunction. The Alegria group wants to take down the Dream Bar. First it was the timeshare owners, then Bliss and then the Chinese restaurant. Look out, everyone, we have here a rich entrepreneur, an Ernst and Young winner, who is unethical and will attempt to remove anyone who gets in his way for personal gain. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/hammer.gif" alt="" />

Why would you even suggest that the checks are no good? The rent, as stated in the online news article, is 50% of the profits, so regardless of how much business there is, half of it is the rent.

My reply is not intended for GaKaye, or anybody specific.

I have a lot of friends on SXM, one of the reasons I keep going back to this island and I consider Marty and Lori my friends.

For those that are upset that Marty was optimistic with the new owner, regardless of if he was optimistic or not, that would not change one thing on your time share ownership. Not his fault, not his control. Damn the man for being hopeful. The place was becoming a pit, no elevator, units falling apart, and Manek just keeping the money. Personally, if he still owned it I would have given my unit there up. Sucks but if you want postive spin, PM me.

As for if Marty will win or not, who knows. The SXM legal system is not normal to us US people. But know that if it was easy to get rid of the business Marty has, know that if that was the case he would have been gone in 2014.

Why they just don't pay Marty a sum of money to leave I have no idea. Look at the plans for the place, look at the money he is spending on legal to try to get him to leave. My guess, simply a guess, is that his legal team needs the money so they are milking this for all they can get. That people, is the legal system in motion.

A lot of assumptions are being made, sit back and wait for the outcome. Should be with in two weeks but with SXM, who knows.

Last, I wonder what happens with the new proposed in theory plan for the property with the people that own in building A.

Is it cheaper to bribe government, or pay the people off?

Have a great week! Cheers!
Todd

You make a good point about the people in the A building; those units are wholly-owned units. I assume he'll have to purchase those units from the owners, as their ownerships would not have been affected by the foreclosure. I wonder how they'll establish fair market value? I think it will be quite a while before everything is resolved.

Might be old news, just read on Caribbean 360.... Choice Hotel is operating Alegria Hotel......kate <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/canada.gif" alt="" />

Ironic that they picture Marty's bar and mention it in their site description and it shows up on this topic.

The winner is......Marty ! Whooop whoooop!
Seven more years!

What will happen next ?

Cheers,
Todd

YAY for Marty!

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Met Marty years ago at his Gyro place. Kept our wine cold for us and poured. Nice guy.

I hope this sets a precedent!

There will be an appeal. They have lots of money for things like this.

Nice win for a Dutch Boy. Maybe they'll make him a nice buyout offer. Might be cheaper than an appeal.