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North swell effects

Posted By: TropicalBlend

North swell effects - 11/13/2015 02:14 PM

We're going to bringing our Nordhavn, Tropical Blend, over to BVI in a week or so. I was checking the weather, and I see that the swells are now from the north, but the east trades are still blowing. That makes for some rolly anchorages.

For those of you that are currently or recently out on the water, can you comment on how much the 3' swell is affecting the anchorages?
Posted By: Manpot

Re: North swell effects - 11/13/2015 02:22 PM

Very small swell right now..less than 3 feet..wont have any effect on anchorages..
Posted By: CottageGirl

Re: North swell effects - 11/13/2015 02:54 PM

We were on a ball at Cooper last night. No rolling.
Posted By: TropicalBlend

Re: North swell effects - 11/13/2015 02:57 PM

Windguru and Buoyweather forecasts are pretty different over the next week. BW is showing 3' waves from the north, winds 15 to 20 from the east. WG shows a similar sized NE or E swell, much better considering the wind direction. We'll be around the north side of St. John for a few days, then heading over to BVI for a week or so, Our boat rolls notoriously in a beam swell at anchor. I foresee deployment of flopper stoppers in our future.
Posted By: LocalSailor

Re: North swell effects - 11/13/2015 03:23 PM

If the swells are up and you want to stay in STJ there is always the S. side - Rendezvous, the Lameshurs and Salt Pond are often flat calm during a N. swell event.
Leinster isn't a bad choice up close to shore as well. I watch this site for real time info in a buoy 160 NM North.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?s...;time_label=GMT
Posted By: sleepychef

Re: North swell effects - 11/13/2015 10:04 PM

Surfers are arriving Monday
Posted By: StormJib

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 12:19 AM

Massive Weather conditions in the Northern Atlantic have been and will continue to create massive waves that will end as Northern Swell in the coming days and the next ten days across the caribbean.

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The swell forecast should be checked carefully each day for any open anchorage. Rapid changing swell is possible over the next week at least.

In most cases the large north swell that impacts the BVI is the result of storm a 1,000 miles away or more and waves that have traveled for days.
Posted By: StormJib

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 12:30 AM

Way early to really tell. But, Next weekend the and even late next week could be very interesting swell, wind, and waves across the area.

NOTE: This is the wave forecast for next Saturday or 7 Days out! Note the storm the models see off the coast of Mexico?

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Posted By: TropicalBlend

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 12:50 PM

Thanks for the contributions. IIRC, the most protected anchorages during a north swell are:

JVD - Great Harbour
Norman Island bight
Peter - Great Harbour, White Bay
Tortola - Soper's Hole, Trellis Bay
Virgin Gorda - North Sound
Anegada

Are there any other recommended anchorages for north swell conditions? I have read the current cruising guides, but one can never have enough info.

We're thinking about coming straight from Red Hook to JVD, returning to SJ when the swells are down. Our boat is a very seaworthy Nordhavn trawler, but it does roll in a beam swell at anchor. We're also looking to anchor, as the boat is heavy at 25 tons, and we don't trust most of the moorings. We haven't been to BVI since 2011, and this will be the first trip on our own boat.
Posted By: warren460

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 01:21 PM

We should add areas to avoid.

I will start with white Bay jost van Dyke, Cooper island, sometimes marina Cay.
Posted By: Sandsailsun

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 01:42 PM

I will add Cane Garden Bay, White Bay Guana . Depending on the height of the swell sometimes Lee Bay Great Camanoe gets a wrap around swell.
Posted By: hallucination

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 02:29 PM

I was very surprised that Diamond Cay was not a mess in 4m swells. there were these 10-12 foot wave crashing on the reef, and still as a pond at the morning field.

slept like a baby with that surf noise going on.
Posted By: HoosierDaddy

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 07:16 PM

Yes,
Avoid Cooper Island until after January 25th. smile
Posted By: TropicalBlend

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 08:07 PM

Yeah, I experienced a very rolly night there around Thanksgiving in 2009. It's strange how some of the anchorages on the south shores get pounded by north swells. In most places we have been, lee shores have been very protected.
Posted By: sail2wind

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 10:38 PM

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Avoid Cooper Island until after January 25th. smile



interesting there is an actual date in which the swell stops <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: NCSailor

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 11:05 PM

I'm sure Ron is fast on wiki working up an answer that cites swell data back to Columbus.
Posted By: HoosierDaddy

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 11:19 PM

sail2wind: Just trying to keep one mooring ball available the week of Jan 18th.
I've been lucky in the past and have never experienced North Swells at Cooper.
The first time I ever got close to White Bay, JVD, I saw masts swaying and told our crew, no way we are going to even try that that place for an overnight.
Posted By: HillsideView

Re: North swell effects - 11/14/2015 11:22 PM

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NCSailor said:
I'm sure Ron is fast on wiki working up an answer that cites swell data back to Columbus.



He will be along later. His Mom told him he had to clean his room before he could copy and paste more stuff. And it's Saturday night, so playing in the tub will occupy him a bit longer.
Posted By: rhans

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 12:10 AM

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HillsideView said:
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NCSailor said:
I'm sure Ron is fast on wiki working up an answer that cites swell data back to Columbus.



He will be along later. His Mom told him he had to clean his room before he could copy and paste more stuff. And it's Saturday night, so playing in the tub will occupy him a bit longer.


Be nice. You know hes pressing his Blazer to impress the servers at the KFC Sunday brunch.
Posted By: StormJib

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 01:20 AM

The blazer is always pressed...

I did recheck my crystal ball for you and yes the weather will change this week resulting in greater swell and wind coming into next weekend... Both the wind and swell will diminish at some point and then return with a vengeance. I do not have any notes on Columbus? We do have some family bibles that talk about waves on a old boat called Mayflower.

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Posted By: LocalSailor

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 03:34 AM

Looks to be building:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?s...;time_label=GMT
Posted By: YachtReprise

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 03:57 AM

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rhans said:
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HillsideView said:
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NCSailor said:
I'm sure Ron is fast on wiki working up an answer that cites swell data back to Columbus.



He will be along later. His Mom told him he had to clean his room before he could copy and paste more stuff. And it's Saturday night, so playing in the tub will occupy him a bit longer.


Be nice. You know hes pressing his Blazer to impress the servers at the KFC Sunday brunch.


No one knows what your issue is with this individual...and no one cares.

Can we just play nice, and help each other better enjoy their time in the BVI?

Sheesh.
Posted By: NCSailor

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 01:23 PM

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YachtReprise said:
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rhans said:
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HillsideView said:
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NCSailor said:
I'm sure Ron is fast on wiki working up an answer that cites swell data back to Columbus.



He will be along later. His Mom told him he had to clean his room before he could copy and paste more stuff. And it's Saturday night, so playing in the tub will occupy him a bit longer.


Be nice. You know hes pressing his Blazer to impress the servers at the KFC Sunday brunch.


No one knows what your issue is with this individual...and no one cares.

Can we just play nice, and help each other better enjoy their time in the BVI?

Sheesh.


You haven't been around long enough to know....and at least three of us care.
Posted By: TropicalBlend

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 03:48 PM

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LocalSailor said:
Looks to be building:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?s...;time_label=GMT


It's looking pretty ugly by Friday. We're leaving Red Hook tomorrow, and we're debating whether to stop at Leinster or just head straight to Great Harbour. I think we'll make an on-the-water call.
Posted By: LocalSailor

Re: North swell effects - 11/15/2015 09:04 PM

The buoy site only shows real time - it is not predictive for Fri and is already subsiding.
Posted By: Subaqua

Re: North swell effects - 11/16/2015 12:14 AM

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TropicalBlend said:
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LocalSailor said:
Looks to be building:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?s...;time_label=GMT


It's looking pretty ugly by Friday. We're leaving Red Hook tomorrow, and we're debating whether to stop at Leinster or just head straight to Great Harbour. I think we'll make an on-the-water call.


Isn't Lienster USVI and great harbour BVI?
Posted By: rhans

Re: North swell effects - 11/16/2015 12:24 AM

You'd be correct.
Posted By: sail2wind

Re: North swell effects - 11/16/2015 01:42 AM

I would think Maho/Francis would be less swell then Lienster.
Posted By: YachtReprise

Re: North swell effects - 11/16/2015 04:09 AM

Leinster wouldn't be a great choice in a large N swell.

Francis would be fine, unless it has a 'Western component'. If so, there's an anchorage monitor (or...I'm not sure what they call themselves. They're volunteers who are permanently stationed in the anchorage, and are both knowledgeable and friendly)who will sound the alarm if the Francis Bay/Maho Bay anchorage will be untenable.
Posted By: SeaSeaRider

Re: North swell effects - 11/19/2015 10:20 PM

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YachtReprise said:

No one knows what your issue is with this individual...and no one cares.

Can we just play nice, and help each other better enjoy their time in the BVI?

Sheesh.


Been down there doing our sailing thing since 11/7 so haven't been able to post this sooner, but......Thank You!
Posted By: LocalSailor

Re: North swell effects - 11/20/2015 04:24 AM

Looks big today.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?s...;time_label=GMT
Posted By: lcroberts

Re: North swell effects - 11/20/2015 11:57 AM

We moored overnight in Caneel last night and it was very rolly. Plan was to stop in trunk bay for some snorkeling and then overnight in Leister but now wondering if we should skip Leister (and waterlemon) and head straight to JVD great harbor. Or would Maho be adequate ? Maybe we head straight to JVD and can leave Leister/Waterlemon for the trip back...? Thoughts? What site are those posting on this forum using to check swell data ?
Posted By: sail445

Re: North swell effects - 11/20/2015 12:01 PM

The whole north shore will be rolly, Leinster bay on the east side is fine.
The swells should subside Saturday evening.
Posted By: gracet03

Re: North swell effects - 11/30/2015 11:53 PM

Seas calm to Anegada but water visibility very poor including chichizen (10 feet) no rolling at moorings.
Posted By: trawler_kid

Re: North swell effects - 12/02/2015 06:37 PM

My list of best anchorages in north swell season:

1. Little Harbor Jost Van Dyke
2. Bight Norman Island
3. Sprat Bay Peter
4. South Shore of St. John
5. Anywhere in the North Sound
6. Soper's Hole
7. Nanny Cay (few moorings mostly slips)
8. Little Harbour Peter Island
9. Leinster Bay St. John
10. Trellis Bay

Not happy places for folks with sensitive crew:

1. Cane Garden Bay
2. Caneel Bay
3. Great Harbor JVD
4. White Bay JVD
5. Maho and Francis Bays St. John

Others may disagree. YMMV.

PG
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