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We are booked in June for two weeks, fingers crossed!

Is 28,000 enough for everyone who wants it??

I loved Premier Fahie's reported comment: "When asked by other media as to whether he’d take the vaccine, Fahie deflected, saying he would be on hand to supervise the vaccine being administered to Rankin and Malone and offer comments."

What a helpful statement by Fahie. Great to see leadership by example.

I have been surprised by the number of people in the states that are not going to either take the vaccine now or are going to wait until they see how it goes. With the availability of information concerning the safety and efficacy of the vaccine and now almost everyone knowing someone who has either died or became very ill from Covid here, it has amazed me the numbers who do not plan to get the vaccine.

I’ve read a lot of similar unfounded fears and reasons not to take the vaccine and some even more whacky imaginative reasons in some of the comments in the bvi news sites. Since they have been spared the death and serious illness widespread most everywhere I would guess that perhaps half the population will not take the vaccine.

That will IMO seal their fate of getting a local epidemic when they open up. Although many here have enjoyed the quiet of just a few visitors mostly on a few boats, that is of little help to the bvi economy. To compete they will have to drop the quarantine by late spring, early summer. People held back from travel are going to go somewhere. They are not going anywhere with quarantines or hoops. A test prior to travel is about all anyone will stand for in choosing a destination. If less than half the population of the bvi gets the vaccine, there will be an outbreak. I am hopeful there is a tremendous pr campaign to vaccinate the most vulnerable. With 7 ventilators on island their healthcare system is at risk.

Their current political leader not taking the jab himself doesn’t instill a lot of confidence.

Fahie is smart enough to know flu vaccines don’t work and are full of poisons.

Ha ha, "full of poisons." That is why we got 2 doses!!!

They contain polyethylene glycol. It’s not a vitamin

Having Biden and Harris telling people that they wouldn't trust a vaccine developed during previous administration certainly didn't help. Slowly but surely people are going with what their eyes see and are trusting the vaccine more and more as people are being vaccinated.

In order to take future trips to any of the islands, we will always get the vaccine!

Justwantanisland--You are misrepresenting our President's position, but we will NOT engage in political talk about the US here....

To quote a TV Doctor (M*A*S*H) "Horse-Hockey"

So does toothpaste and cosmetics. Do you know anyone who doesn’t use those products. Many other medications containe pg as well. There is an hypothesis that the few incidents of hypersensitivity to the vaccine is due to antibodies in the recipient to pg. those are not established. Every vaccine has a very infrequent allergic reaction, the most serious of which is called anaphylactic reaction. It is similar to what a small percentage of the population has to bee stings and shellfish or peanuts.

True anaphylaxis happens very quickly, indeed the subject can nearly fall off the needle with iv med reactions. With vaccines they happen in a few minutes and is why you are asked to wait for 15 or 20 minutes after the injection. You are in an environment with someone who has epinephrine available and will administer it if you are one of the few people per million that has a reaction. I don’t believe there has been a single death attributed to such a reaction. If you vaccinate a billion people with any biological somebody will have a fatal event. Your odds are a whole lot better of winning the next three powerball lottery in succession than dying of a reaction to the vaccine. Your chance of a serious reaction is less than being struck by lightening.

People are dying at a rate of 3 to 4 thousand a day. I have had two friends die with it and another who spent 3 weeks on a ventilator who was a very active 60 year old, sharp as a tack and beginning a great retirement who I fear will never be the same.

I don’t care whether any one person gets a vaccination or not but I hate to see the myths and bs circulated causing people to not trust the science and statistics that weigh heavily in favor of getting as many people vaccinated for coronavirus as soon as possible.

Do you have a source for this? I thought Biden already got vaccinated. The only statement I saw from Biden was he did not want the vaccine rushed and that the protocols be followed.

No, we're not going there. The statement is FALSE. Move on.

I have an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts and tree nuts, so I'm not rushing to take this vaccine. Here it's administered by students in a disused drive-through auto emissions inspection center - no medical resources, from what I've read. Of course they're still doing the over 75s, so not an issue for months anyway.

I fully understand, and somewhat share, the hesitation of people in the BVI to get the vaccine. I'm guessing that enough people will get it to calm fears, but I doubt restrictions will be relaxed before year end.

Our neighbor is a well-known medical researcher who is allergic to peg; she's waiting for the J&J vaccine, which doesn't have that ingredient.

If you’re fine with it then why not add it to your diet along with the GMO’s.
I have some left over engine coolant that I’d be glad to send you.

There is a discussion of this topic in the late December issue of Science, see: .Science Article

Apparently. by study design during the trials, neither of the first 2 approved in the US were given to people with a history of allergies to any of the components of the vaccine. In the BVI, I believe they are initially receiving the Astra Zeneca vaccine which is made the old fashioned way with attenuated virus.

The AstraZeneca vaccine is not as effective against the variant from South Africa, which has halted its distribution. BVI has a lot of South African immigrants, so it's not far-fetched to see that variant making its way in.

As I said I doubt enough people in the bvi take the vaccine to allow the island to truly open without considerable pain and death. The virus is going to be around a long while. It will infect the unprotected.

In just this thread you see well informed folks with their personal decisions not to take it. On the BVI news sites, I see all sorts of conspiracy theories, some in my view totally off the wall scientifically, some with racial overtones, some with anti-UK bias. You add all these up and and a significant number if not a majority will turn down the vaccine.

Again it matters not a bit what people believe or do with their own health to me. I do suspect that what the bvi gave up so much to prevent by isolating the population for a long while with outstanding health results will be lost when an under vaccinated population truly opens up as they will surely have to this year. Their pain from this scourge will just have been delayed.

I get my second moderna hopefully this week. Other than a third eye growing in the middle of my forehead, the first one caused little harm. As to my diet, I rather suspect gin and fine bourbon will have a greater impact on my health than gmos.:)

To each their own. I seriously hope everyone is successful in their plan to deal with Covid.

Waiting to get our shots here in Sonoma..one of only two N Ca. states that is currently only doing over 75..everyone else is over 65..go figure. Really hoping proof of vaccine will loosen the protocols for us to get home to CRC and soon..one year at the end of March since we left. BTW we should all thank Jason on here for keeping us all informed on the public forum and in personal messages..I see a nice long dinner in the future with him and Tiffany as a thank you...and spend plenty as a "Thank You" at the bar of "The Wonky Dog" for all their insight!

Malcolm, you're lucky! Here the teachers have refused to open the schools until they are vaccinated. So they have put the teachers - largest school district in the state - ahead of the over 65s.

Agree as to Jason and Peter...it is great to have knowledge on the ground there

So the BVI has had 8000 doses for a week now. Have they started vaccinating?

I have heard that vaccinations were to begin this Thursday - two days from now.

Got word yesterday that Candace and I can get our first shot here in Sonoma on February 14..Happy Valentine's Day.I'm hoping a certificate of vaccine will be a big step into getting home to the BVI's..and soon.

Congrats, Mal. Hope you are able to get back home to the BVI soon.

Plan to quarantine when you get here unless you're going to wait for a while. The plan is to complete the vaccinations here for all who want it by November. But, as I'm sure you've guessed they did not specify which November!

Nobody that has stayed with us was really bothered by the quarantine. Lots of options for delivered food too and the closest place to you has a new chef that regularly has fresh pasta on the menu now... Just sayin'...

The big advantage will be traveling without the worry of catching the virus and not having appropriate medical help available.

Very true!!

GREAT NEWS!

stevelon--nearly a half MILLION people have died in the US and you don't understand the fear?????

Based on your statistics, it's actually a 1.2% death rate. 98.8% survival. So far, I'm not ready to pick the 1.2% of my friends and family I'm ready to part with if it can be avoided.

Sometimes people confuse good luck with not having to worry about something. I live on the Missouri border and know personally two nice people from our church that died from not with Covid. A very good 60 year old friend in generally good health had chills and a sore throat one day. Two days later with a fever of 105 he was in the hospital. The following day he was put on a ventilator a day later and stayed on it for 3 weeks? The staff prepared his wife that it was not looking good. He rallied and they were able to extubate him. He was hospitalized for another couple weeks. He has undergone weeks of physical therapy and he is no where close to the mentally sharp, vibrant, active man I knew. Another good friend that lives near us on Lake Taneycomo is early 50s, healthy as a horse. We thought he had gone away over the holidays because we saw someone pick up his dog we would see him walking. No he was in his house fighting it for 3 weeks with two trips to the er. A local pulmonologist also younger than my friend caught it helping those cases of Covid when our area was relatively free of the disease last April or May. He was on a ventilator for many weeks, he was in the hospital over three months. He still has not been able to return to his practice.

Indeed it doesn’t impact every older person in a life threatening manner. Most will not have to be hospitalized. It is very fickle though in choosing its victims. My wife’s aunt in her 80s with all sorts of health problems, got it. They gave her Remdesivir early on, was out and back to normal in a week or so. It has taken more around many of us than anything we have dealt with in such a short time.

I was very glad when we were able to get the first vaccine and hoping the snow in forecast doesn’t cancel our 2nd scheduled for next Tuesday.

I am anxious to travel again, especially to our place on VG, but I really don’t care much about traveling until things are open and I don’t have to do anything other than show proof of vaccination or take a test prior. Will be content harassing the trout at the lake where we have spent much of the time holed up until things open up.

Without the vaccine I would never have considered travel.

I hope all on Ttol have mild symptoms if they are unfortunate to have this #### bug.

A couple of things to consider. The first is the actual death statistics. The 2020 rate while slightly above the last 10 years is the same or slightly below the 10 year period from 1980 to 1990. It was expected that 2020 would see a increase because of overall aging. Statistics for other deaths from various medical causes have dropped like a stone. Flu deaths are strangely virtually nil. Florida even classified a person killed in a motorcycle crash as a covid death. The higher payments to hospitals have driven a entire covid for profit industry that has really skewed numbers. There is no money in flu so call it covid! In addition a almost total shutdown of preventive medicine last spring contributed to a higher death rate. It continues to have a impact as some fear going to the doctor where all those people with covid are gathering.
The other point to consider is that treatments are vastly better today than 10 months ago and there are new treatments showing great results coming out as we speak. I caught covid at 62. Not pleasant but I have had a worse time with flu at a younger age. I had no treatment. Even in the 70 to 80 age range most have very mild cases unless they had underlying health issues. Often covid deaths were and are individuals who even a common cold could be fatal because of so many other Heath issues.
One last observation. I watched a woman clearly obese put on a face mask, face shield, gloves and then get out of her car spraying the gas pumps with a spray bottle before pumping gas. She then got back in her car before driving off and lit a cigarette! I could be a Utube sensation had I videoed it!

I agree with Steve and George!

Fear is learned, emotional, and often wrong.

The fear I have is that Carol will be like @jack Twitter and FB-Zuckerberg and shut down commentary that is in divergence with the party line.

Duck!

This would be a game changer therapeutic if it turns out to be this successful . An inhaled drug that could be given in any setting.

https://www.israel21c.org/has-israel-just-found-the-cure-for-covid/

I don’t imagine anyone cares much about someone else’s decisions on their own health. It is a topic of conversation and people differ. Since only 5% get the cytokine storm and of those that do most recover. I understand why if it hasn’t affected someone personally it could be seen as a remote chance of having trouble. And certainly many people in an age group unlikely to suffer themselves have had serious financial impact. We certainly can all agree we want this pandemic behind us.

You know what, jphart, NONE of this current conversation is about the BVI at all and we haven't had a Current Events board for a LONG time, because of situations like this. There are lots of platforms out there where you can discuss whatever, to your heart's content. This board is supposed to be about TRAVEL, period. If someone wants to discuss Covid in general, please head to the BVI People Talk forum.

Well, that's a pretty good way to get a thread shut down. Nice job....

I really like this site. Haven't been here for a while as i don't like the pain of the good memories and not being able to do it again. For me the COVID is secondary the reaction to the disease is what confuses me. Some states and countries are for the most part open. But the problem is getting there. Just last night Frontier completely changed our year long reservations making our trip impossible. We could go on another airline but that can change too. Plan B go to Florida. Now they are talking about limiting air service due to the new strain basically quarantining the whole state to air travel. All i want is to go sailing, have some pain killers and kick back.
All the Best
Steve

I can my political fixes else where, I come here to relax and chat with all the folks that love the islands, just like me. So lets not point fingers or call names! Thanks

Stevelon ~ can you please explain a little more regarding the limiting of air travel service? Is this just FL or Frontier? Any additional details or link to where you saw this is appreciated.

Here you go. It is a consideration now but not sure about the future. Good luck. Bagsarepacked are you enjoying our winter? Been under 20 degrees for days https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article249154715.html . Looks like some movement on air travel coming into the us, Now if you can prove you survived covid you get a 90 day pass on the form. Funny nothing on the vaccine https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/...enbwrhW3Q-czp8HkbYDz51S2k-Xli5z3ff2Q2pGw The limit Frontier had was lack of passengers i think. Many of the routes are not profitable anymore. Good luck in your future travels.
All the Best
Steve

Steve...I think you can safely count on Gov. DeSantis to stand against any restrictions or lockdown in Florida. I live on the Gulf Coast and we are PACKED with tourists at the moment with no letup in sight.

Bad news Manpot.

https://bvinews.com/vaccinated-pers...sKyQhZp9q9TPl5OYIUV5_ZviuPk1ui9C8dhvVYPE

Just what I needed to hear today...lets hope they get the BVI population vaccinated and fast..

Any updates on how the first two days of vaccinations went?

We all know the saying ' Life's a beach until the tide comes in." Either one has the resources to escape the tide, or one has the mindset to live as well as possible when they can't escape the tide. Very fortunate folks will have both. The rest of us will have to do the best we can.

I did see that The Premier did say he would be taking the vaccine himself shortly. There had been a lot of comments concerning him not getting it with the Health Minister. Hopefully they will acquire more vaccine and the population will take it in sufficient numbers they will drop the quarantine. They cannot hope to have the tourist income they need with a quarantine in place this summer for people who have been vaccinated. Few people will spend four days in quarantine and a second test and wait for results if they have been vaccinated. There will be too many other venues. Though we usually stay several weeks, we also have family and friends visit part of the time and I would not expect them to spend 4 days locked up when only staying a week or so. So we wait.

If they open up transportation to from st. Thomas I don’t see the efficacy of the quarantine, but they will do what they will do. A friend who runs a snorkel business and rib rental among other things doesn’t believe they will have any meaningful business until 22. I hope he’s wrong but he’s close to the action.

They are vaccinating medical people, including private, at Peebles. I think they said they had done 100. Too lazy to find the article, but I believe I read they hope to have enough vaccine for everyone by the end of the year. Of course not everyone will choose to be vaccinated, and there are the unknowns about the vaccines' efficacy against the newer strains.

As much as we need to check our house after a year empty, I'm not optimistic. This ice storm has shut down vaccinations here, further delaying an already inept rollout. And no luck convincing our relatives to go use our house either!