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Maria_and_Steve
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: polaris]
      #1740727 - 08/12/17 10:15 AM (71.33.137.164)

NO! Moorings, Sunsail, Dream Yacht Charters, etc. don't require "captains" on their big catamarans, even up to and including 60 foot cats. No day sailor can be expected to understand these big cats unless they have significant sea time on the same model catamaran. But as long as the charter person has a credit card they can get a monster cat for a week! Just pay the deductible when you hit a reef

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RatmansWife said:
Doesn't Moorings require one of their own captains on cats that big? Not that professional captains are much better when it comes to avoiding reefs. I frequently see them too close to Diamond Reef so their guests can snorkel off the back. Anything for a big tip!




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StormJib
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: Maria_and_Steve]
      #1740732 - 08/12/17 11:11 AM (71.224.66.174)

For the most part the insurance underwriters are in control of what can be bareboated. The tradional limit is a hull value of one million pounds. For years we have chartered the largest and newest boat we could get. The documents generally show a value of 999,999. Some of the underwriters also put a limit in "tonnage". The new materials allow larger boats within the weight limits.

At the end of the day the Moorings and others are nothing more than Marketing and Sales organizations. They own few boats. The banks, owners credit, and the insurance companies take all the hull and damage risks.

Before you throw and typed spears. Go to your local Hertz or Avis and watch the checkout procedures to rent a Escalade, Lincoln, or even now very high performance vehicles capable of extreme speed.

The real checkout at Hertz or the Tortola dock. Can you get the machine out of the parking spot and put of the parking/docking area.

White Bay always shows ignorance or risk taker. Many on this forum once went into White Bay and have learned something along the way that lead them to stop that "fun" practice. Others blindly follow the chart plotter around swearing by them until they learn why that is a risk to the safety of the hull and passengers.


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warren460
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: StormJib]
      #1740733 - 08/12/17 11:32 AM (99.228.220.74)

Short day visits to white Bay for us. No overnights anymore. Too much risk.

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maineskier69
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: warren460]
      #1740737 - 08/12/17 12:23 PM (198.255.238.82)

Brown, brown run aground...

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Nevermonday
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: polaris]
      #1740741 - 08/12/17 12:39 PM (76.76.173.244)

Complete Idiots.. Ohh sorry the chart said there was no reef there .. You can clearly see the reef and there are two sets of markers to get in .. hope they get fined .. !!

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Deepcut
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: Nevermonday]
      #1740742 - 08/12/17 01:01 PM (63.238.49.244)

Markers??? Like RED GREEN?

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warren460
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: Deepcut]
      #1740743 - 08/12/17 01:11 PM (99.228.220.74)

Why would you expect them to mean much

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Deepcut
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: warren460]
      #1740744 - 08/12/17 01:16 PM (63.238.49.244)

Left over from Christmas?

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StormJib
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: Nevermonday]
      #1740752 - 08/12/17 05:55 PM (166.137.244.125)

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Nevermonday said:
Complete Idiots.. Ohh sorry the chart said there was no reef there .. You can clearly see the reef and there are two sets of markers to get in .. hope they get fined .. !!




That is what happens when the helmsman goes heads down following the chart plotter around like the video toy chart plotters are near shore. Near shore the helmsman must keep his head out of the boat. If a chart plotter must be used a designated navigator should be tasked to use the screens well away and out of sight of the helmsman.


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warren460
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really? [Re: StormJib]
      #1740754 - 08/12/17 06:40 PM (99.228.220.74)

Truth is we will likely never know the details re how it happened.

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