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Re: Government Failed? [Re: transplantsxm] #147692
11/02/2017 02:25 PM
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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Carol_Hill] #147693
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I'm confused now. It that vote a good or bad thing?


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: mprevo] #147694
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Vote on all three motions that passed were good in my opinion - but, what is unknown (at least to me) is what will happen next. Will Marlin Govt/Council of Ministers dissolve Parliament and call for elections? That is not good for anyone - again my opinion.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: Snorkeller] #147695
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Yes, I agree that the vote of no confidence was appropriate, in my opinion. The story seemed to think that Marlin would call elections, which would be a very bad thing, in my opinion. I worry that there will be civil unrest.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Carol_Hill] #147696
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Yes and delay reconstruction ....not good and I had thought Sarah was lobbying for No elections until the island becomes stable .

Re: Government Failed? [Re: BGH] #147697
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That's what she wants, but apparently Marlin can dissolve the Parliament, which means that they have to hold elections. Which will DEFINITELY delay reconstruction and probably receipt of the money from Holland.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Carol_Hill] #147698
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In the past when elections were held, the amount of lumber, plywood and expense was enormous. This would be a huge waste in light of what is really needed for the island.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Carol_Hill] #147699
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No confidence vote passed


Motion #1 Amend draft national ordinance Integrity Chamber
Motion #2 Expression of no objection to draft national ordinance Integrity Chamber with amendments
Motion #3 Motion of no confidence against Marlin cabinet.

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Re: Government Failed? [Re: ruralcarrier] #147700
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Doesn't the article specifically say that resolutions were passed to adopt both of the requirements set by the Dutch government? If so, then it looks like the receipt of the money may not be delayed, and also that there will be some degree of independent control over how it gets spent.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: thebowl] #147701
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The resolutions were passed, yes. But the point is that if Marlin calls elections, technically he stays in power until the elections are held. And according to the Dutch, they say that he still has not UNEQUIVOCALLY agreed to the Dutch terms.


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No mention of accepting Dutch conditions. No mention of accepting border control. Integrity Chambers with amendments sounds like conditions added on the side of St. Maarten.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: sxmmartini] #147703
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The whole purpose of the coalition of 8 was to AGREE to all the Dutch terms. I think they had to amend the current proposal for the Integrity Chamber to comply with the Dutch conditions. Now Marlin has certainly gone back and forth on the topic, yes.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: transplantsxm] #147704
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Marlin dissolves Parliament SXM does not need this now. I wonder what the Dutch will do.


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He is trying his best to survive.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: Kennys] #147706
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Leslie-

What are your thoughts on this whole process? Do you think an election would be a good or bad thing for the people? From the outside it looks as if things are unstable with all of the fighting. Although, I assume it needs to happen. I was just wondering your thoughts "as an island resident". How does all of this actually affect the residents? Just curious. Thanks.

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Re: Government Failed? [Re: mprevo] #147707
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We don't need nor can handle an Elections at this time. We have too much of suffering going on. People are totally pissed off on the Prime Minister.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: Kennys] #147708
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That's how I read the situation also. I worry that the Dutch will delay the aid, as Marlin still continues to talk out of both sides of his mouth.


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Well they did state that the whole Parliament has agree to the demands , however they awaiting the documents signed.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: Kennys] #147710
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That is exactly what I thinking too. It seems that common sense would tell you the PM is just causing problems for the people who he is supposed to be governing. I donít blame the people at all for being upset at him. I canít even think if a reason why his actions could be considered acceptable. We will keep your island in our prayers and hope for the best result from this unfortunate situation.

It would seem that St. Maarten is desperate need of a very trustworthy, honest, intelligent person with common sense to lead them. Have you ever considered running for office, Leslie? You would make a fine leader and role model.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Kennys] #147711
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Curious re how the St Maarten Parliament works with the Governor General
Canada has a Parliament and GG. If the ruling party wants to dissolve and call an election they "ask" the GG - normally a formality, but the Cdn GG does have the option of asking the position if they can form a government - Not unheard of

Does that exist in St Maarten

Just curious

J&B

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I wondered the same thing and had seen several references to a "governor". Checked with Wikipedia to find out that "The Governor of Sint Maarten is the representative on Sint Maarten of the Dutch head of state (King Willem-Alexander). The governor's duties are twofold: he represents and guards the general interests of the Kingdom and is head of the government of Sint Maarten."

So it would appear to me that SXM "governor" position serves the same purpose as our "governor general" and would be the final authority on whether new elections are required to form a government or the new coalition could just take over.

Hopefully this is resolved soon so that things can move forward!


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Kennys] #147713
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It is beyond imagination how utterly stupid Marlin is acting now and has been acting all along. He never, ever seems to think of doing anything remotely like competent governance.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: mprevo] #147714
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Thanks for the kind words , however I'm not into Politics.

Re: Government Failed? [Re: jmbcomms] #147715
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...or what's in the best interests of the people..

Elections to be held January 8

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Re: Government Failed? [Re: PrairieGirl] #147716
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I was looking into the St Maarten system earlier this week. I found that it is quite different from the system we have in Canada. The parliament is elected. The Parliament then elects the PM and cabinet. PM and Cabinet ministers can NOT be members of the parliament. The PM can submit a draft decree to the government to dissolve parliament, or the parliament can pass a decree to dissolve itself. Parliament can, as it did yesterday, vote out the cabinet (or any individual minister).

What I don't understand is why the governor just signed the decree submitted by the PM to dissolve parliament, when there appeared to be a workable majority in parliament that could have elected a new cabinet. It would seem to me that the chamber that gets voted in by the general population should supersede the cabinet. But I am not familiar enough with their system to understand all the nuances.



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Re: Government Failed? [Re: jmbcomms] #147717
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Should there be new elections in St. Maarten in January, an agreement between the Netherlands and Sint Maarten - for a million fund for reconstruction after Hurricane Irma - seems to be no longer available.
The Saint-Martin parliament has sent away the government of Prime Minister William Marlin on Thursday because Marlin does not fully agree with the strict conditions. But Secretary of State Raymond Knops (Kingdom Relations) only wants to "do business" with a government that is sitting on St. Maarten for a long time. The Netherlands is afraid that decisions after the elections can be "reversed".

link posted shortly...

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Re: Government Failed? [Re: sxmmartini] #147718
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What a holy mess. They canít wait for 2 months for this help. I donít understand why Sarah couldnít have formed the new government-she had a majority.

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http://soualiganewsday.com/local/soualig...january-18.html

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Signed, sealed and delivered.

Feel so bad for the people of SXM <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

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Pure selfishness.

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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Carol_Hill] #147723
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And that last is the real crime against the people of Sint Maarten. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />


Respectfully,

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Agreed.


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Re: Government Failed? [Re: Carol_Hill] #147725
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Carol that pretty much sums it up . The Pmís Actions and The Governorís support need to be seriously challenged . I read that members within the Dutch goverment has stated that it is not time for elections . The Dutch government needs to have a fire side chat with their appointed Governor and change the direction of this decision .

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The Governor could still send a resolution for annulment to the Kingdom Government if it is in conflict with the Kingdom Charter and show it is not in the interest of the SXM to disrupt stabilty at this time.

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Nice but I believe he has already signed in agreement with Marlin ..Perhaps he can still change his mind .

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Looks like SXM is going to have a long road to recovery.

article here

Looks like both parties are going to have a long hard fight. So the help money will be delayed at least till Jan. 8 election. that is If the election happens a t all, the election is not contested AND IF the same people are not voted in again. Just cause there is an election doesn't equate to a change.

Wendell

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You know, it's real nice that they blame Sarah for this whole thing. What created this whole thing was Marlin, who needed to agree to the Dutch conditions, period. Meanwhile, the aid that the people NEED is delayed because of his arrogance.


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You know, it's real nice that they blame Sarah for this whole thing. What created this whole thing was Marlin, who needed to agree to the Dutch conditions, period. Meanwhile, the aid that the people NEED is delayed because of his arrogance.


Meanwhile he accepts $105,000 from Chinese government

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