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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/12/2018 01:58 PM
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Two days with many views and no comments on a usually vocal topic, hoping no news is good news.
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/12/2018 02:06 PM
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Unfortunately, it probably means that no one has any new information and frankly since this issue appears to be in the courts now, my feeling is that it will be a LONG time before something is resolved enough to allow them to rebuild. It's a shame..
Carol Hill
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/14/2018 01:33 PM
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Now that OBC is shutting down, have the owners gotten anywhere in the last month? No news from the owners but the former employees 96 in all had a meeting at the Club Orient Office on the property. I am not sure what that is about but it could be a sign that their jobs may return soon?
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/14/2018 02:18 PM
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I actually doubt that they were meeting to discuss getting their jobs back soon. More likely they are meeting to make sure everyone knows that there are still HUGE problems with getting anything resolved and about the possibilities of retiring or taking other action under St. Martin law. The fact that Willie is retiring is as instructive in that respect as most anything else I have heard.
Carol Hill
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/14/2018 03:19 PM
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Hard to get jobs back with no structures to house guests in.
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/14/2018 03:51 PM
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Willie was planning to retire before any of this happened.
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/14/2018 03:57 PM
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OK, I didn't know that. Thanks. You haven't heard anything new about the Club O owner's situation, have you?
Carol Hill
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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Hard to get jobs back with no structures to house guests in. The owner I talked to said his chalet was in repairable shape till the looters stole his roof and ripped out all his wiring. The first employees to be hired back would be security and the painter who has been there forever. Management next and the two story building that has permits... UGH P.S. The chair rentals are raking in 1,500 a day that is 10k a week. IMHO the owners are going to want that revenue back!
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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Willie was planning to retire before any of this happened. Yes, Willie actually told us she was planning to retire when we were there during our last SXM trip before Irma. She was quite excited about it too.
Robin & Ed
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/14/2018 09:38 PM
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Willie certainly has earned her retirement. She was absolutely the best bartender in the Caribbean, imho... She was always polite, helpful, friendly and happy.
Calm seas and following winds, Willie...you were the best of the best...!
We miss you!
Bill and Linda
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/15/2018 09:03 AM
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Yes, everybody loved Willy. It was hoot the last two years we were there in April. Everyone waited for the happy hour bell to ring and sang happy birthday to her. She would kinda blush and say merci, then back to work.
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/19/2018 08:49 PM
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It's not just the rebels that will prevent Club O to rebuild. Several owners just want to cash out and move on and not reinvest in Club O. Property title resolution and new capital are essential to the rebuild and they're a major obstacle to overcome.
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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As I understand it, property title resolution is a huge problem..
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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11/20/2018 09:57 AM
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Jim--is that a viable possibility, that the Parliament will actually resolve it?
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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Carol:
I seriously doubt there would be any interest in such a resolution. I wish that were not true.
In the US, a land purchaser would have a viable suit against the seller for breach of the warranty in the deed, or at least a title insurance claim. Brink brought the property from Madame Fleming. Her son Louis-Constant Fleming is a senator. He is a Beauperthuy heir. If anyone could get this going, he is the one. If there was ever a time it is now.
When the Dutch were faced with a court decision saying the missing Beauperthuy heirs, from the missing child of Daniel B... who died in the 1860s, had a claim to lots of Dutch land, including the airport, they did what they had to. They passed a law that reversed the court decision and wiped out the interests of these countless heirs. The English system (as in the US) is a lot more logical. If you are out of possession of property for a period of time (21 years in some states, 10 in others) and someone else is in open, visible, hostile, exclusive possession for the time period required, you have no right to evict them. In France, for some God unknown reason, even though the heirs have been out of possesion since the 1860s, they have rights to the ground (but not the buildings).
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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Carol:
I seriously doubt there would be any interest in such a resolution. I wish that were not true.
In the US, a land purchaser would have a viable suit against the seller for breach of the warranty in the deed, or at least a title insurance claim. Brink brought the property from Madame Fleming. Her son Louis-Constant Fleming is a senator. He is a Beauperthuy heir. If anyone could get this going, he is the one. If there was ever a time it is now.
When the Dutch were faced with a court decision saying the missing Beauperthuy heirs, from the missing child of Daniel B... who died in the 1860s, had a claim to lots of Dutch land, including the airport, they did what they had to. They passed a law that reversed the court decision and wiped out the interests of these countless heirs. The English system (as in the US) is a lot more logical. If you are out of possession of property for a period of time (21 years in some states, 10 in others) and someone else is in open, visible, hostile, exclusive possession for the time period required, you have no right to evict them. In France, for some God unknown reason, even though the heirs have been out of possesion since the 1860s, they have rights to the ground (but not the buildings).
Jim
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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Re: Any new news on Club O owner stalemate?
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12/05/2018 02:17 PM
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I was at Orient from 11/4 - 12/3. I was surprised that no one had any "news" of any sort about Club O, factual or baseless rumor. It's just a dark hole right now, as the OP suggested.
On the somewhat pointless side discussion here, beach attendance varied a lot during November, In the first couple weeks, there were far more people (250-300) than the second half of the month (125-175). Unfortunately, the first two weeks were windy and rainy, while the last two weeks were fantastic! Roughly 80-90% used Cedric's umbrellas, so I hope we can mostly agree and appreciate that it's great that Cedric has picked up on this opportunity to serve us loyal Club O patrons. On 12/2, he was putting out buoy markers and lines to designate the beach swimming area, like was there before. Much appreciated.
Around 11/12, Cedric invited everyone to meet up in the middle of the beach for some rum shots in celebration of his birthday but far more importantly, to thank everyone for coming back and to express his appreciation. While he choked up for a bit, so did many others.
Also, around 11/20, the road into Club O was graded and smoothed, one fantastic improvement after the "moon craters" left from the rainy season!
One of the most common statements I heard from others on the beach, was "There's no other place like this."
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