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Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 01:09 AM
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 07:34 AM
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I’m not sure what this has to do specifically with St Martin but I’d say in general it’s good news. Delta is one of the 3-4 primary carriers to St. Maarten. Good move on Delta's part.
J.D.
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 07:42 AM
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I’m not sure what this has to do specifically with St Martin but I’d say in general it’s good news. Delta is one of the 3-4 primary carriers to St. Maarten. Good move on Delta's part. Good move on Delta's part, yes, but they don't have many flight to St Maarten that are over 8 hours, so not really relevant to SXM
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 08:26 AM
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I’m not sure what this has to do specifically with St Martin but I’d say in general it’s good news. Delta is one of the 3-4 primary carriers to St. Maarten. Good move on Delta's part. Good move on Delta's part, yes, but they don't have many flight to St Maarten that are over 8 hours, so not really relevant to SXM A more detailed article that addresses ESA animals UNDER 4 months of age and ALL Delta flights so it could easily pertain to St. Maarten. ARTICLE"As a result of the policy changes, customers ticketed on or after Dec. 18 will no longer be permitted to originate travel with emotional-support animals on flights longer than eight hours and will no longer be permitted to originate travel with service and support animals under four months of age regardless of flight length." Like with many well intentioned laws, the ADA law is so loosely worded it is very easy to buy a $49 vest on the internet and pass off about any animal as a Service/ESA to take advantage of many situations. As one who travels by car with a dog(s) a lot and stays in hotels, we see it way too often. The ones who actually follow the law and the people who have a TRUE Service Dog often pay the price for the imposters.
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 08:35 AM
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You can bet on the fact, it will be abused.
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 11:24 AM
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Pelican--just curious, have you called ahead of time, or checked when you arrive at the airport, to see if anyone will have a cat near your seat? Would they give you that information?
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 11:48 AM
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It is amazing how the minority of people have started ruling what the majority does. I have sympathy for those with anxiety, peanut allergies, and any other "disorder" that some psychologist/psychiatrist has placed upon them but I, nor anyone else, should have to be denied the ability to travel comfortably.
These folks need to find alternative measures for travel. I realize that there are some occasions when these people have to fly but when there are other options available, then they need to use them. It is a shame that in the process of accommodating a select few with actual issues, the unscrupulous without issues will use these "loopholes" to their benefit.
So if 1 person on the plane has a peanut allergy does this mean the other 150 or so others can't get a bag of nuts to enjoy with their glass of diet Coke. Or the 1 person that has anxiety about flying and brings a dog/cat as their emotional support which causes another(s) on that plane to suffer because those people have pet allergies. What about those with pet allergies who get on that plane AFTER that emotional support animal departs but, as we all know the animal hair and/or dander is left behind, starts having a reaction to the allergen?
Here's an idea, change the HIIPA laws to allow common carriers to require proof of the disorder and that the animal is certified in that field. If there is an allergen alleged, then allow the common carrier to require that the allergen is a life threatening allergy and require that passenger to carry an antidote such as an epi-pen.
I realize that there aren't many international means of travel other than air travel but I think it would behoove the airlines to only allow these people to board flights that actually depart from US soil or arrive 1st on US soil. If you are one of these people that have these issues and live in an area when you don't have non-stop out of the US, I feel for you but IMHO you should rent a car to drive to the departing airport that services your final international destination and when you arrive back in the US then use that rental car to drive from the arrival airport. Yes this may seem harsh to some but it's truly getting out of hand.
I feel for Pelican because I would hate to have to worry that I'll be 35,000 feet over an ocean when my breathing becomes labored because of someone's anxiety alleviating cat has shed enough hair/dander to cause that allergic reaction. Lord knows airplanes are not set up to handle true medical emergencies and the 30+ minutes it would take to get that aircraft on the ground to meet an EMS crew could mean a very dire result for people like Pelican.
Unfortunately there are those that will abuse the system for their own benefit. Other than true service animals (seeing eye dog, seizure dog, diabetic dog etc). there should be a very strict policy to get any animal on the plane.
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 12:47 PM
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Here's an idea, change the HIIPA laws to allow common carriers to require proof of the disorder and that the animal is certified in that field. If there is an allergen alleged, then allow the common carrier to require that the allergen is a life threatening allergy and require that passenger to carry an antidote such as an epi-pen. And also the ADA regulations with regard to proof and what can and can not be asked. Sadly, once any law is enacted and the entitlements begin, good luck on ever changing it. I have know a mid-30's who had multiple Service/Seizure Alert dogs. They can only work so long and have to be retired and not all make it, even after extensive training. The training these dogs go through and the expense and training the family go through is substantial but they did it the right way and through an organization. We have been around true service dogs many times, unless they are actually working, you hardly know they are there. At a restaurant the dog will lay under the table at the handlers feet and most never know the dog is there unless they see it walk in. Contrast that with the untrained (for true service dog work) family pet and that someone turns into a "service dog" and it is pretty easy to spot the fakes. Nowadays someone can buy a "service dog" kit on the internet and due to the restriction of what can or can't be be asked, the untrained family pet gets the owners the benefits that come with a true service dog.
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 02:25 PM
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OK, let's get back on track to the original topic, folks, or we will close this one.
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
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12/12/2018 04:56 PM
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I agree whole-heartedly on this. Emotional Support animals should be categorized the same as other service animals; fully trained and licensed. My cat is definitely an "emotional support" animal, but if I ever need to take him on a plane he's going in a carrier, under the seat, and appropriately paid for (where no doubt he would howl the whole flight. There is a reason he doesn't travel with me!  ).
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
[Re: Tom]
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12/13/2018 11:43 AM
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Everyone with special needs should have to produce a letter from a doctor stating the actual problem. This would prevent people taking advantage of any rules . No letter, no special treatment. No exceptions!
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Re: Delta bans support puppies and kittens
[Re: islandgem]
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12/13/2018 01:01 PM
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Everyone with special needs should have to produce a letter from a doctor stating the actual problem. This would prevent people taking advantage of any rules . No letter, no special treatment. No exceptions! Good idea but like with disabilities (at least here in the US), find the right doctor and/or lawyer (sorry Carol) and you are set. One of the lawyers I know from wine tasting specializes in this.
J.D.
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