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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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12/12/2018 08:43 PM
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Yea! Will be there in January!
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/13/2018 12:03 PM
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Good to see another one opening. Two chairs and an umbrella at Bikini is now $30. KAKAO will probably go with the same price. Or with competition prices might come down. $30.00 is quite high for that.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/13/2018 12:16 PM
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Yes, I think that's more likely, once Kakao opens and then Kontiki, prices will come down. That's way too high a price for SXM, I think. Lack of competition.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/13/2018 12:41 PM
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I thought the same guy( LUFTMAN) owns bikini kako and kontiki? where the completion?
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/13/2018 01:06 PM
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Well, he owns the concessions there, but the actual restaurants are run by different people.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/13/2018 08:47 PM
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Wow, ok, perhaps I'm out of touch, as most places I know charge $20... Me too. Never would've or will pay 30.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 08:00 AM
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Wow, ok, perhaps I'm out of touch, as most places I know charge $20... Me too. Never would've or will pay 30. Nor I. And the food and service is nothing to write home about either. Interesting to see what Kakao will do.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 09:17 AM
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I reserved 5 chairs each day charged me 50$ Thats more reasonable. Wonder if that poster made a mistake posting 30 and meant 20.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 09:18 AM
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Nope. It was $30 the day we went.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 11:53 AM
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So wrong on many respects. Some cruisers are on an all inclusive ship excursion to orient. If priced out of reach others will just throw a towel out and not rent or just walk the beach. Greed will end up biting them in the butt if they out price the chairs. Many other places to go that are more reasonable. That might be your opinion, but I remember a bottle of Coca-Cola costing a dime, too. Regarding beach chairs, let's consider reality and facts. It wasn't that long ago that $15 was a going rate, and it wasn't long ago that people were writing here that if they had to pay for umbrella/chairs when they were buying drinks and eating there, they wouldn't go there. $20 became the new norm over the past few years, didn't it? If you think $30 is unacceptable or non-competitive, look at the facts at other cruise destinations. Grand Cayman - routinely $26-35 on 7 Mile Beach. St John and St Thomas, $30 average. Turks and Caicos - $30-35 average. Bahamas - $10 per item average. Excursion costs are much higher. For example, "jam them in" bare bones Nassau excursions usually cost $60-100 per person. I don't believe that after paying for taxi to Orient, drinks, and food, that $30 chair rental cost is going to matter to 95% of the cruiser population compared to the perceived allure of Orient Beach. When the taxi drops you off, and $30 is the going rate at the big five where they get dropped off, I believe cruisers are just gonna pay it. For those few that are on paid excursions from the ship, rental rates are irrelevant, those operators are obviously going to negotiate their own rates down from the "rack rates", won't they?
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 12:23 PM
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BeachKitten--could be they raise the prices in high season. We almost never go to SXM in high season, so I don't know. Another good reason not to, I guess!
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 01:30 PM
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Actually Carol I think the cost of chairs will be adjusted to the $30 as people are having no problem paying that price and filling the chairs. There were no empty chairs at all. Guess time will tell.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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Well, effectively there will be at least twice as many chairs available when Kakao opens, then three times as many, when Kontiki opens, which shouldn't be that far away. People are paying $30 now because they have literally NO choice, except for Club O, and many people have no interest in that. I do wonder also whether Roxxy Beach will take away some of those people who stay in Simpson Bay, who normally travel to the French side.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/14/2018 06:41 PM
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We were lucky that day and the beach boy missed us. Never again!
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/15/2018 01:34 AM
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My opinion....... I am NOT surprised .chair prices are being raised on any beach on SXM. These poor folks were put out of business for well over a year now, and now are finally getting back to work. Supply and demand now is still low......and now that the island is making headway, things will continue to get better for them. In the meanwhile....we, the tourists are there on vacation!!!! These people, have been living for well over a year without any income!!! Do you really think they will feel sorry for the tourists that are coming back to spend their money on the island???? Will the ten dollars a day for chairs really break any of us financially? This time last year, the buzz on this forum, and every other forum connected to sxm was how can we help these poor people during their time of need!!!! Now the answer is quite clear......go to the beaches......rent the chairs for a couple of dollars more than two years ago. 10 bucks.....broken down...is less than two freakin' mixed drinks. I am not made of money....but certainly will not think twice spending 30...instead of 20 for a day of fun filled relaxation on one of the most beautiful beaches in the world!!! Come on guys.....think about how trite some of you are making it. My two cents.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/15/2018 02:33 PM
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Craig from Packlight rents chairs and umbrellas, yes. (And Coolers and phones). The chairs are mostly 'sand' chairs, low to the ground, and not suitable for me. And frankly I have no interest in lugging chairs and umbrellas around to different beaches. I will pay to rent chairs, rather than lug them and I would pay $30 if necessary, but frankly, I think that price will come down, once more places are open. Not that it matters, but Craig is not a 'local' in the sense of 'born there', although he is a permanent resident of SXM..
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/15/2018 08:06 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the French side (Orient) employees have a social system that pays unemployment? Yes. That is my understanding to.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/15/2018 08:34 PM
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We are going for 10 days with 5 adults. That would be $675 for chairs and no food/drinks. Our villa is usually only $250 a night. This would definitely make us visit Orient less frequently during our trip. That's quite a hit. And $30 vs $20 is a 50% increase.
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Re: Kakao Beach Club on Orient opening
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12/15/2018 08:50 PM
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How do you get to $67.50 a day? Looks like they are figuring 13.50 apiece for a set of chairs and umbrellas for 5 people. Probably 5 chairs and 2 umbrellas is my guess. Or maybe just 1 umbrella if they are like me. I don't use an umbrella but need one for wife.
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