Traveltalkonline.com Forums


SXM Cruise Schedule TTOL Sponsors SXM Travel Calendar
Forum Statistics
Forums39
Topics31,558
Posts242,424
Members25,552
Most Online2,218
Jan 21st, 2020
Top Posters(30 Days)
GaKaye 64
Kennys 57
Fred 51
RonDon 39
Member Spotlight
Breeze
Breeze
Maine
Posts: 1,828
Joined: October 2001
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
islandgem, JasonHelmbrecht, ktrayray, Sedona
Who's Online Now
13 registered members (bbeach, Fran, sunmantwo, bugambilias, RonDon, SurfandSail, bailau, KenM, George1234, 4 invisible), 200 guests, and 415 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Cedrick resigns from his district #202606
08/16/2019 09:58 AM
08/16/2019 09:58 AM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,008
S
sxmmartini Offline OP
Traveler
sxmmartini  Offline OP
Traveler
S
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,008
https://www.thedailyherald.sx/islan...-ends-with-his-resignation-from-district

He also brought up Orient in a combative speech?

He asked why Orient is not in the red zone?

Property in the red zone can not rebuild!

https://stmaartennews.com/french-side-news/homes-red-zone-areas-french-st-martin-will-not-rebuilt/

SXM Sponsors
Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202627
08/16/2019 05:37 PM
08/16/2019 05:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,061
P
PelicanPirate Offline
Traveler
PelicanPirate  Offline
Traveler
P
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,061
Interesting

Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202628
08/16/2019 07:34 PM
08/16/2019 07:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 809
S
SammyM Offline
Traveler
SammyM  Offline
Traveler
S
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 809
I thought that was interesting as well. Why would anyone want the Orient Bay area listed in the red zone? That would be a foolish thing to do with the island still in recovery mode.

Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202635
08/16/2019 09:07 PM
08/16/2019 09:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,617
B
Bahston Offline
Traveler
Bahston  Offline
Traveler
B
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,617
My uninformed impression is that residences in other St Martin areas, equally as exposed as Orient Bay, are being listed in the red zone and told that they cannot rebuild their homes on family-owned land. Meanwhile, people are rebuilding on the equally exposed beach in Orient with no such red zone restriction.

Can anyone confirm or refute my uninformed impression?

Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: Bahston] #202636
08/17/2019 06:55 AM
08/17/2019 06:55 AM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 74,054
Central Florida!
Carol_Hill Offline
Traveler
Carol_Hill  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 74,054
Central Florida!
That would be my uninformed impression also, along with the fact that Orient Bay is mostly a tourist occupied area, with few homes being owned by local St Martiners, as compared to Sandy Ground, which is local owners and residents, for the most part.


Carol Hill
Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202644
08/17/2019 10:32 AM
08/17/2019 10:32 AM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 612
jenniboston Offline
Traveler
jenniboston  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 612
Nuance to red-zone restrictions; homes intended for year-round occupation can't be built in them, but other construction, including hotels can. I suspect the issue is that (as Carol has mentioned) around Orient there aren't as many locals attempting to build year-round housing, but that non-residents are being allowed to build/rebuild despite the area being red-zoned whereas locals in the other areas are not.

Sounds like France is allowing money to talk and rich builders to skirt red-zone restrictions. This is of course unfair to the local citizens, especially those who are trying to rebuild family homes.

Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202645
08/17/2019 10:49 AM
08/17/2019 10:49 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 471
Maine USA
doctorj Offline
Traveler
doctorj  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 471
Maine USA
Thank you for the clarification.
carib cheers from someone easily confused.
doctorj


It's Five O'Clock Somewhere........
Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: Carol_Hill] #202646
08/17/2019 10:57 AM
08/17/2019 10:57 AM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 74,054
Central Florida!
Carol_Hill Offline
Traveler
Carol_Hill  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 74,054
Central Florida!
Jenni--thanks. I kind of thought that was what was going on, in addition to many homes in Orient Bay being owned by people from mainland France.


Carol Hill
Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202650
08/17/2019 11:19 AM
08/17/2019 11:19 AM
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 359
Sarasota, Florida
deputydog1157 Offline
Traveler
deputydog1157  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 359
Sarasota, Florida
I am totally confused.

f the government classifies an area as red-zone, does that mean no building can be done in that area or is it just full time residence(s)? I don't understand that difference because a single family dwelling is a single family dwelling whether it is occupied full time by a single family or occupied by multiple different families.

Does a red-zone designation mean that if a family is displaced they can no longer build a home there and therefore lose the rights to the property? What about the red-zone designation for temporary housing such as B&B's, rental properties, and/or hotels? Does the government then seize the property and give it away to the rich builders/developers in that case?

If the red-zone designation allows for the government to seize people's properties and then have a developer come in, is that possibly what Cedric is hinting at? If Orient Bay is designated a red-zone and the government can then seize property, wouldn't that then allow for a developer to come in a rebuild Club Orient?

Just my confusion trying to decipher what exactly the red-zone designation is.



[Linked Image]
Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202660
08/17/2019 04:26 PM
08/17/2019 04:26 PM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,041
PA
biglar Offline
Traveler
biglar  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,041
PA
Do you really believe a rich developer would buy the land in a red zone, such as Club Orient if it were in a red zone, and rebuild the small chalets that made the place what it was or would they build a big grande hotel for other wealthy vacationers. Think that would be the end of Club Orient? I do!

Re: Cedrick resigns from his district [Re: sxmmartini] #202670
08/17/2019 11:25 PM
08/17/2019 11:25 PM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 612
jenniboston Offline
Traveler
jenniboston  Offline
Traveler
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 612
Up front: Club O already has permission to rebuild from the government. And Club O is not (currently, as least!) for sale.

I suspect the difference between residential vs. temporary housing (i.e. someone staying in a hotel) is that people staying temporarily are going to be easier to evacuate. We know that here in the US we have, with alarming regularity, people refusing to evacuate in the face of an oncoming storm because they want to "protect their home". At some level I understand the impulse to protect the homestead. Honestly, I'm still massively P.O.ed that the parts of Club O that survived the storm were looted because there was no one around to protect it. Still, lives are more important!

Is this unfair to those who have lived on a patch of land for generations that is marked as red zone? Yeah. And this isn't an easy thing. We have this same issue in the US where Federal Flood insurance pays to rebuilt houses that will be destroyed again in the next decade or so. It's very sad when people can't rebuild. On the other hand, the government catches flack when they can't save people who have stayed behind...


Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1