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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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The Dutch side of the island (Sint Maarten) is behind such places as the Cayman Islands and Aruba, but ahead of the French side and many other countries, both in the Caribbean and elsewhere. So overall they are doing OK...not great, but OK. Would I like to see the numbers higher? Absolutely...and certainly it would be nice before our 5-week stay starting in mid-January. Part of the problem seems to be a level of distrust of the vaccine amongst a significant portion of the population. I don't know how we overcome that. I do find it interesting that those above me that are sharing their disappointment are Americans. Might I respectfully suggest your comments could be equally made about the USA for many of the same reasons? The percentage of the total population vaccinated in the USA is virtually tied with Dutch St. Maarten, according to the attached chart. Seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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The thread stated that SXM was lowest in the Caribbean....that is true. Comparison with other poorly vaccinated countries outside the Caribbean was not the point. Other countries (USA) have their own leaders, both political and otherwise, to equally hold responsible
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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I had no problem with Carol's original post or thread title. Just to be clear, the thread title and the article ONLY refer to the DUTCH Caribbean, not that Sint Maarten has the lowest rates in the Caribbean, as you stated. It doesn't. Let's at least try to be accurate.
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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The Dutch side of the island (Sint Maarten) is behind such places as the Cayman Islands and Aruba, but ahead of the French side and many other countries, both in the Caribbean and elsewhere. So overall they are doing OK...not great, but OK. Would I like to see the numbers higher? Absolutely...and certainly it would be nice before our 5-week stay starting in mid-January. Part of the problem seems to be a level of distrust of the vaccine amongst a significant portion of the population. I don't know how we overcome that. I do find it interesting that those above me that are sharing their disappointment are Americans. Might I respectfully suggest your comments could be equally made about the USA for many of the same reasons? The percentage of the total population vaccinated in the USA is virtually tied with Dutch St. Maarten, according to the attached chart. Seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinationsThank you
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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Serious question. If 100% were vaccinated, yet covid can still be caught and transmitted to others by those vaccinated, what difference does it make relative to 50 % being vaccinated?
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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2fingers--if you have listened to any real information about Covid, you would know that people who are vaccinated have an extremely SMALL incidence of severe disease, versus the unvaccinated.
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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08/16/2021 06:28 PM
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Carol, I agree with you. If you are vaccinated, carry on knowing that the vaccine appears to minimize the level of severe cases.
But weather or not someone else is vaccinated (40% vs 100% of sxm) really has no impact on the vaccinated tourist, as both vaccinated and unvaccinated can pass on covid.
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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Sorry, I don't believe that's true. The level of vaccination in the general population continues the cycle of re-infection, and allows the virus to mutate..
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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I agree with Carol, CaribLee and Scubaman on this. The more that are vaccinated, the less likely the virus will spread. While there is some indication that those fully-vaccinated can potentially become asymptomatic carriers of the virus, it so far appears to be relatively rare. If you do catch it and become ill, the statistics also seem to show that the impact on the individual who is fully-vaccinated will be less severe or minimal.
It is imperative, IMO, that more islanders become vaccinated. It is not just to protect themselves, but also to create an atmosphere of "safety and concern" for the well-being of visitors to the island. Not all visitors (nor islanders) may care, but many do. Without visitors the island's economy would tank. That is the best argument IMO, at least in terms of self-interest, for getting vaccinated.
Also, when vaccinations are only at 50% there is more spread of the virus, which allows it to mutate much more easily. The current Delta variant is a good example of that. Most experts think that "herd immunity" is reached when the percentage of fully-vaccinated reaches around 80% to 85% or more. The ability of the virus to spread at that point becomes more difficult, at least in theory.
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Re: Sint Maarten lowest vaccination rate in Dutch Caribbean
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They have had pop up vaccine centers in all the districts several times. It's up to the people to do the right thing. Many are afraid of government.
Elaine ********************************* God Bless the broken road....
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