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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/23/2024 04:10 PM
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I just dont understand how that could happen. The wave action you are seeing is the result of a well forecast North Swell beginning to arrive.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/23/2024 09:47 PM
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/23/2024 10:56 PM
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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And with radar and a foresail that L42 likely isn’t in a charter fleet.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/24/2024 11:29 AM
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Not a good look to post a video showing going out without steering or even going out....speaking to the power boat. Not sure what the sail story is
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/24/2024 11:35 AM
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Unfortunately, after publicizing the indefensible decision to leave the dock, it doesn't really matter if the grounding had anything to do with the rudder problems.
The owner's outrage at being unfairly judged is almost comical if the whole thing weren't so tragic.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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Those balls at Mountain Trunk are private. There was big swell. Another forum member communicated with me yesterday enroute to N Sound that the swell was BIG with huge breakers off Savannah Bay. Can’t imagine sea conditions were great in the Mountain Trunk area.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/25/2024 05:03 PM
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The Wandering Hillbilly’s poor decisions were probably, at least in part, driven by his YouTube persona. He had to put up some interesting content. Having guests and not wanting to delay their fun was likely another factor. Ego projected over the internet while on a boat can be a bad recipe. Although the WH knows his boat and handles it well, seamanship encompasses much more than that. His decision to leave the dock without steering (except to go short distance for repairs) is not just poor seamanship, it was potentially dangerous for everyone onboard. He can try to justify it anyway he wants, but it shines a bright light on his lack of judgement a a captain. Regardless of the fact the beaching may have been the direct result of a faulty mooring, the WH was a poor captain overall. well said...his celebrity trumped being a good captain and all the experience in the world doesnt make up for arrogance and recklessness
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/27/2024 04:43 PM
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The Wandering Hillbilly posted another video. Kind of hard to watch and I genuinely feel sorry for him and what happened. However, his apparent inability to recognize ANY of his errors is a head-scratcher. He rejects any suggestion that his decision making as Captain was anything less than exemplary. "I have nothing to defend", and "As a Hollywood producer... I eliminate ALL points of failure. I'm a live Holllywood director, I cannot fail." There's footage of the damage and it could very well be a total loss. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2UU2w4Ok0g
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 11:40 AM
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@tmxmsails - Cooper discourages anchoring because of the sea grass and turtles. I anchor at Norman all the time, but the 50+ foot depth outside of the mooring field means few, if any, charter boats can anchor there. Great Harbour on JVD has such terrible holding that I'd take a mooring there. I've picked up a drifting catamaran, still attached to the mooring, in less than 5 knots of wind at Norman. When I do take a mooring, I will snorkel it and check as much of the line as I can. Recently I took a mooring in Grenada where it looked substantial from the surface but was only a thin polypro line holding me. But other places such as Leverick I can't understand why one would take a mooring - less than 20 feet depth and great holding in sand.
Despite WH's comments, if he'd eliminated all points of failure, he'd still have his boat.
Backing down on a mooring makes sense.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 12:04 PM
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In the video he said the previous week he called Sugarcane restaurant, said he wanted to come to lunch, asked if he could put his boat on a mooring and was told he could. He did not know to whom he spoke, and he didn't mention discussing the size of his boat. Does the restaurant own the moorings? He doesn't mention requesting permission on his next visit to use a different mooring. At the end of the video he says he has been in contact with the owner of the mooring, but does not elaborate on that conversation.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 01:15 PM
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Sounds like he decided to moor on a Lee shore. He mentioned they decided to swim in because it was too rough to beach the dingy. I can only imagine the pressure of those swells on that mooring. It was loose before he even made it to shore.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 01:27 PM
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I passed by the area on that day, probably a bit before the grounding occurred. It looked very rough and those moorings are also quite close to shore (swimming distance) and probably on a pretty short scope.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 01:34 PM
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I passed by the area on that day, probably a bit before the grounding occurred. It looked very rough and those moorings are also quite close to shore (swimming distance) and probably on a pretty short scope. We were there that day and the North Swell was cranking up along with the wind. I would not have been comfortable 200 feet of a Lee shore regardless of the mooring capacity.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 01:45 PM
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We stayed on one of the three moorings in June of last year after permission from the owner - which we obtained through a friend. The owner shared with our friend that the moorings are privately owned (by at least two people who own homes in Sugarcane) and were installed for boats larger than our 43 PC. By the way, the one we stayed on was solid at the time (it's not the one he was on), but it did have more growth than the national park and BoatyBall moorings. It was also a calm night in June with no swell.
Regarding Alan Carter - the Wandering Hillbilly - we met him last year, and he seemed like a genuinely good person. I have also enjoyed his videos. I'm sure he gets something financial out of his YouTube prominence (likely peanuts compared to his real job), but it seems like his main motivation is helping others by sharing knowledge and providing a unique experience for his family and friends.
I really hate that this happened to him, and I humbly admit that I've made numerous mistakes that (fortunately) have not resulted in a similar fate - but could have. True cruisers state that grounding a boat is inevitable if you go out enough, and every year that we go on our two week adventure in the BVI, I learn ways to reduce the odds of this happening - but I'm still learning. I'll be curious what others says about backing down on mooring balls - especially with a PC. We put the motors in reverse to add pressure to test the ball, but we have heard that you aren't supposed to back down too hard with a PC. I like to see the ball sink and hold, but we don't add additional throttle - is this correct?
Anyway, I hope Alan bounces back from this. I know that I have gained some additional perspective from his ordeal.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 03:55 PM
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That is what I do on the 514 PC...quick reverse on 1 engine and let momentum take ball underwater. And I use anchor watch on ball...
and always trying to learn what it is a I dont know I dont know..still remember the night I learned about the North Swell Same here. We woke up in CGB about 2 am being tossed around. Daylight couldn't come quickly enough!
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/28/2024 08:46 PM
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I've been following this forum and gathering very helpful information and counsel for many years. In fact, I'm one among your so-called "credit card captains." This is one explanation for my interest...I live in Indiana (and love it), but make a deliberate point of traveling to, and learning more and more about the wonders of the Virgin Islands almost every year and, especially, the timeless craft of sailing whenever I can visit the place that has for me been a treasure since my dad first took me down in the mid 80's. And nearly every time I visit, sail and explore, I have the opportunity to introduce others to something that for me has been life changing. And I gain important wisdom from so many in this online community who have enriched that experience, which makes me a little better at doing every time I come down. I hope and trust that, for all of us, this is true in many area of our lives.
In view of this humble background, I wanted to pipe in with a shout-out to those of you who have been expressing grace toward the skipper who is the subject of this thread and who has recently endured a really difficult and probably terrifying experience.
I'm nothing approaching the kind of serious sailor to whom special respect is owed, or expected. But I'll confess that I truly love visiting this discussion when encouragement and compassion win out over ridicule and condemnation. I think we can all be assured that this particular seafarer will take important lessons from this experience...and be better for it. And better the yet if what he is hearing from his fellow travelers in this important space is meant to build him up when he is already down.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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01/29/2024 01:29 AM
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Very little humility and a total lack of hubris on display in his latest video - “see, the Marine Max guy was on the ball too…..” Sorry, but he did NOT eliminate all points of failure, including himself.
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Re: Yikes - be careful out there!
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Very little humility and a total lack of hubris on display in his latest video - “see, the Marine Max guy was on the ball too…..” Sorry, but he did NOT eliminate all points of failure, including himself. Meant “no lack of hubris”
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