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Aborted landings #316854
03/28/2024 01:55 PM
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Last 2 planes, An AA and a private have aborted landing. Not sure what the problem.

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Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316856
03/28/2024 01:56 PM
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Now a WestJeet aborted.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316857
03/28/2024 02:03 PM
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Have you been listening to the ATC??


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Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316858
03/28/2024 02:16 PM
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Seems like a wind issue - too much in the wrong direction. They're clearing some take offs and landing on runway 28 - so toward the beach.

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Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316859
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Most if not all flights from SXM to Saba and St Barth have been canceled due to winds. It’s unclear if the wind issue is due to low wind conditions, an unfavorable wind direction, or both.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316861
03/28/2024 02:39 PM
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There's a 10 knot wind blowing in over Maho. An American flight made the landing from that direction but that seems to be too much of a tailwind for the others to make the landing.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316862
03/28/2024 02:39 PM
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Would hate to be on one of those planes! So close and not actually there!


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Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316863
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STT has delays and diversions as well.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316868
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I can't tell how big a plane it is, but I just saw a plane land on the SXM Island Cam. Missed it on the Maho Beach cam.


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Re: Aborted landings [Re: Carol_Hill] #316871
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There was a Sunwing that made it in too. Air France diverted. Everyone else is still holding.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316873
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Delayed to 5:05 pm. Or it runs into flight crew end of shift.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316876
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Airfrance to Guadoluope , West Jet to Antigua and AA 1912 to St . Criox VI

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316880
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Typically it will be a 10 knot tailwind component maximum for the larger jets. I haven't looked at the approach charts, but I believe they can't land on runway 28.

update: Here's the chart that explains approach and missed approach: Jeppeson Chart

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Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316881
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Spirit made the landing on 28. It was pretty shocking to watch.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316885
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Which aircraft does Spirit use? They must have done a VFR approach, as I don't recall seeing any ILS or VASI (ILS would need 3 degrees slope and those pesky mountains are in the way)


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Re: Aborted landings [Re: Zanshin] #316886
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They flew in from the Hillside , kinda scary for such a big plane.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316887
03/28/2024 05:25 PM
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Whoa!! Another reason not to book Spirit!!!


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Re: Aborted landings [Re: Zanshin] #316890
03/28/2024 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Zanshin
Which aircraft does Spirit use? They must have done a VFR approach, as I don't recall seeing any ILS or VASI (ILS would need 3 degrees slope and those pesky mountains are in the way)


They were flying an A321neo. I think everyone was flying VFR approaches. At least that’s all I recall hearing from ATC when I was listening.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/NKS100/history/20240328/1455Z/KFLL/TNCM

Re: Aborted landings [Re: Carol_Hill] #316891
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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
Whoa!! Another reason not to book Spirit!!!


I’m not sure which was “worse”… spirit taking the hillside approach or American making a near limits tailing approach. I’m sure both were perfectly safe by the rules but both also make me squirm a little as a passenger. I’m sure they’re all happy to be on the right island though instead of diverted.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316892
03/28/2024 05:50 PM
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How many big birds were able to land today after being diverted to San Juan?

Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316893
03/28/2024 05:52 PM
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eightzerobits--agreed, rather than being somewhere else.


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Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316894
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Delta and JetBlue are still at SJU. Air France is almost at SXM now.

Edit: Air France landed. But the airport just posted that wind conditions are expected to remain bad until 4am. So I suspect the Delta and JetBlue passenger are sleeping in Puerto Rico tonight.

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Re: Aborted landings [Re: eightzerobits] #316895
03/28/2024 06:15 PM
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Wow. Since it's not mechanical but weather related they are probably on their own for lodging expenses.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316896
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Landings are Prohibited on runway 28 at the airline I fly little 737s for. Max tailwind on runway 10 would be 10kts. Challenging day. IKD about Spirit

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316898
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There’s video on FB of Spirit NKS100 landing on runway 28, what some people call “wrong way”. You can also see the track for NKS100 in your favorite flight tracking app.

Re: Aborted landings [Re: Bahston] #316901
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Spirit landed via the Hills but for now two AAA flight delayed till in the morning and Im waiting on West Jet , prayers .

Re: Aborted landings [Re: Kennys] #316902
03/28/2024 07:04 PM
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You mean AA not AAA.😉

Re: Aborted landings [Re: Carol_Hill] #316904
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Delta tried for 30 minutes from about 6:55 to 7:25 to land & has now headed away maybe back to San Juan. Yikes!!

Re: Aborted landings [Re: jeepers] #316907
03/28/2024 08:19 PM
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That means departure won't happen either for those planning on leaving. Now they'll have to scramble for accommodations.

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Scuba, I don't think the departure would've happened even if Delta landed. Those pilots must be out of hours to fly home. I would hope the return flight would've already been cancelled before the latest landing attempt. I am not a good flyer & watching multiple attempts to land tonight stressed me & I'm glad I'm not any of those today especially Spirit!! Yikes!

Re: Aborted landings [Re: WWII] #316910
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I went to happy hour after posting, then met a friend who is an airline pilot (but here on vacation). He spent 15 minutes online researching the approaches and didn't find a published one for that approach on runway 28 and couldn't. So he was talking about the options the pilots would have and a lot depends upon their airline's rules. Once the tailwinds died down Air France came back (I had a friend on board, who said they landed in Guadeloupe but didn't deplane and then returned here). So while the big aircraft could make it into SXM, their published corporate rules prevented them from doing so. Somehow Spirit has more lenient rules.


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I've only had 1 aborted landing at PJIA. Wasn't a pleasant experience and I think I still have my wife's fingernail marks in my thigh. 😉

Re: Aborted landings [Re: SXMScubaman] #316922
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I have never gone through an aborted landing, but I wonder whether the passengers knew there was that possibility or not. That Spirit landing would have made me pee my pants, if I was onboard.


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Be Happy! Simply because you deserve to be. 😁
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Nice links to that landing. Thanks.

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Good morning , waiting on three flights from yesterday plus two new ones for today.


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