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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
[Re: StormJib]
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03/03/2015 11:27 AM
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All the cats I've been on had davits - does this cat not have them? Much easier to just put it on the davits and not tow at all.
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
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We were at Sopers doing some re-provisioning a couple weeks ago and I watched a big Moorings Cat come in and grab a ball. They had a CC dink in tow with what had to be like 50+ feet of line out. After they tied up, the dink was behind the boat that was on the mooring behind them. The captain dropped off the crew and then went back to the base. The crew was going to cab it back to town later...turned out it was a Moorings captain. If they missed that ball and had to turn... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" />
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
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I've seen more than a few people back down on the painter. Last trip to Norman I saw a guy backdown on one and heard a loud bang and black smoke came out and the boat/cat lost power and began to float aimlessly... there were a bunch of us that had to use our dinghys to push the boat to another boat that it was likely going to hit anyways....but we had both boats put fenders out and got them positioned where they were both on the same ball for a period of time. It was quite a scene! I didn't see it but I believe the boat with power then moved to another ball. There may even be one or two people reading this that were involved in the crazy scene in May of last year.
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
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03/03/2015 03:01 PM
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The ONLY way to absolutely prevent the painter getting wrapped on your prop is to bring the dinghy alongside or behind the boat with just enough line between the tow ring on the dinghy and the cleat on the towing vessel that the boat is still floating in the water. This is made much easier by the inflatable ribs that are standard these days. Remember when standard dinghies were fiberglass with rub rails?
Bottom line, always pull the tender up as tight as possible when anchoring, mooring or docking.
As for the OP's question about a towing rig, I think you're over thinking things. From the sound of your trip itinerary, you should be fine just tying off the end of the tender painter to the stern cleat on the cat. Attach the painter to the bow towing ring on the tender at the other end. If you can, it is usually best to tow from the lee side hull. Aside from that, you should be fine. Why worry about a bridle or anything else like that when you're only island hopping sailing an hour or two at a time? Relax mon!
Enjoy!!!
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
[Re: onlymedication]
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03/03/2015 03:09 PM
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onlymedication said: The ONLY way to absolutely prevent the painter getting wrapped on your prop is to bring the dinghy alongside or behind the boat with just enough line between the tow ring on the dinghy and the cleat on the towing vessel that the boat is still floating in the water. This is made much easier by the inflatable ribs that are standard these days. Remember when standard dinghies were fiberglass with rub rails?
Bottom line, always pull the tender up as tight as possible when anchoring, mooring or docking.
As for the OP's question about a towing rig, I think you're over thinking things. From the sound of your trip itinerary, you should be fine just tying off the end of the tender painter to the stern cleat on the cat. Attach the painter to the bow towing ring on the tender at the other end. If you can, it is usually best to tow from the lee side hull. Aside from that, you should be fine. Why worry about a bridle or anything else like that when you're only island hopping sailing an hour or two at a time? Relax mon!
Enjoy!!! +1 on that.. with the basic dinghy there is nothing to gain with a bridle. Just more details to act on when the line must be retrieved. The dinghy will find its place behind the boat. If you are truly concerned with backing down on the dinghy? Then when you are positive you will travel at dead slow. Bring the dinghy forward. That would be an issue for many in the Mooring fields who travel much faster than they need to. We always try to have a dinghy captain who owns the little boat. Keep the painter clear, keep the dinghy from filling with engine, AC, bilge, or genset exhaust. Bail it and dry it after any rain or mishap on his/her boat.
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
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03/03/2015 07:40 PM
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I am with Only and Storm I'd just tie the second dingy to the leeward side stern cleat and I'm with twanger on towing with the motor up. Motor down is such a drag...
Life involves risks, take some prudent ones (NOT with the BVI ferries)!
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
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03/03/2015 09:11 PM
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Thanks to everyone for comments.
I probably should have mentioned in the original post that the RIB we will be towing is 21 feet in length.
Tito at Leverick showed me a couple things last year, adding one of our spare spring lines to the lengthy floating line we already had, connecting to the tow eye with a double neck bowline to the leeward stern cleat.
However, I was sort of thinking maybe there is some way to hook into some sort of rig between the hulls, underneath 'freebie' dinghy on davits as there is some hardware there....though you'd still be required to lengthen and shorten line in that setup too and in an awkward position/fashion.
We always appoint a crew member to man the lines when mooring/docking shortening and lengthening as required.
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
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I don't like putting a spliced eye through a cleat because it's too hard to undo under load, like in an emergency.
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Re: RIB - Towing - Rigging suggestions
[Re: Murdock]
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03/04/2015 10:03 AM
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Murdock said: Thanks to everyone for comments.
I probably should have mentioned in the original post that the RIB we will be towing is 21 feet in length.
Tito at Leverick showed me a couple things last year, adding one of our spare spring lines to the lengthy floating line we already had, connecting to the tow eye with a double neck bowline to the leeward stern cleat.
However, I was sort of thinking maybe there is some way to hook into some sort of rig between the hulls, underneath 'freebie' dinghy on davits as there is some hardware there....though you'd still be required to lengthen and shorten line in that setup too and in an awkward position/fashion.
We always appoint a crew member to man the lines when mooring/docking shortening and lengthening as required. You will likely be motoring everywhere. The 21 foot item dragging in the water and sticking up into the windage will greatly diminish the performance of any sailboat. When we have rented a separate larger motorboat. Part of the crew than was into that and thought we needed that ran the tender on there own on the hops between islands..
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