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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: plequerre] #68424
09/20/2015 08:17 AM
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I guess time will tell but I still think some parts of the construction in the pictures looks questionable.


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: ruralcarrier] #68425
09/20/2015 08:38 AM
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Yep but you know, what I pasted is what the Law says but this doesn't exclude "special arrangements" with the local authorities.
This kind of stuff happens frequently in SXM, you know. <wink>

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: plequerre] #68426
09/20/2015 10:22 AM
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Happens at home too. It's not just a SXM thing.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: plequerre] #68427
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SXM would be the last place I would expect any "special arrangements". <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: ruralcarrier] #68428
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This thread sounds like a lot of folks that just can't wait to be sitting at one of their old favorites downing a few...

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: gotaluvit] #68429
09/20/2015 05:41 PM
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Actually, not in my case. I make it to Orient about every other trip now.


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: gotaluvit] #68430
09/21/2015 05:43 AM
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Yep .... at The Perch or Papagayo <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: ruralcarrier] #68431
09/21/2015 08:22 AM
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These buildings SHOULD have been elevated at least five feet in the air, maybe more. I have built a home on the water and I am ten feet in the air. These building may survive a minor blow, but a real hurricane will leave nothing but the concrete slabs. Building in the air allows the tidal surge to pass under the structure, not beat it to toothpicks. If proper international hurricane standards are followed, raised structures can be built so survive 125 MPH winds. I hope hurricane straps, rafter and joist hangers, and metal roofs with proper fasteners are used on these buildings.

I know it is SXM, but building on a slab along the coast of the US would not be permitted nor could you get insurance. While I can see where the buildings will be stronger than the ones being replaced, they will not survive the rising ocean or a major hurricane.


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: StMartinMike] #68432
09/21/2015 08:51 AM
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No need to get crazy building bunkers.....these buildings look pretty disposable and easy rebuilds. The storm that will do the damage will come every once in awhile causing flooding (destroying the OSB) and/or blowing the structure down......by that point it was probably time for a remodel anyway (and perhaps it will be on insurance dime). You could say that its unpredictable when these storms will come and maybe it won't conveniently fit their 'remodel' schedule but that is the gamble they are willing to take. If storms came during the high season then you would probably see iron clad structures in order to not close and keep the revenue coming in but since most storms come in the late summer it gives a nice window to rebuild before the bulk of the tourists start to come again.

They are either currently slow as molasses because there is no need to be fast OR the inspections take forever. Once the foundation was set I don't see why any decent construction crew couldn't erect each of these buildings (skeletal and moisture covered) in two days or less. They are basically garages.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: NJHarry] #68433
09/21/2015 03:04 PM
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In looking at the construction of these buildings, the contractors are not following basic construction rules. Notice, all the 'headers' above doors and windows are not supported with jack studs. They are simply tacked (nailed) to the king stud. Headers are installed on jack studs to properly support the weight above and transfer the weight to the foundation. In this case, the headers and anything above (roof) is supported by nails only. The headers are also single beams vs doubled beams. .Notice the header above the very wide entrance way, there is no supporting studs holding up that header! That headers job is to support the roof above. Anyone with basic framing experience would not do this. Rules may be different in SXM, but this is very shoddy construction and would never pass any inspections in the US.


I'm no construction expert, but you are correct about the headers being supported by literally nothing of substance, especially that big wide one... I would think it to be of such an expanse that even the upcoming roof load might bring it down?

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: Mantas] #68434
09/21/2015 03:10 PM
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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: mprevo] #68435
09/21/2015 03:19 PM
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Thanks for the pictures!! I'm not sure what I'm looking at--is that curvy thing going to be a sidewalk, in front of the wall or something??


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: Carol_Hill] #68436
09/21/2015 03:23 PM
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That is the seawall that is being put in designed to halt the erosion from a major storm. It appears it will actually be under the surface bury'd in the sand.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: SXMScubaman] #68437
09/21/2015 03:34 PM
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Look at the 5th and 6th pocs posted, it's a curved wall being built - 5'Ft tall maybe?
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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: SXMScubaman] #68438
09/21/2015 03:36 PM
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Here is a new sign they put up behind the project. According to the sign (bottom right) "Delais 4 mois" I believe this means 4 month schedule. Not sure on the French, but I assume that is what they mean.

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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: mprevo] #68439
09/21/2015 03:49 PM
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It shows the sea wall with the front exposed to the sea which should keep the buildings protected by the surf. They must plan on having loungers above and below that wall as some of the original plans showed. I like the concept.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: JohnandBev] #68440
09/21/2015 04:09 PM
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But the plans show a wall with a much larger curve to it, as opposed to this with the curves very close together??


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: mprevo] #68441
09/21/2015 04:25 PM
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Meant to add to my earlier post, thanks very much for the picture posting. Makes the wait till Jan 28 almost better!

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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: Modi] #68442
09/21/2015 06:33 PM
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In looking at the construction of these buildings, the contractors are not following basic construction rules. Notice, all the 'headers' above doors and windows are not supported with jack studs. They are simply tacked (nailed) to the king stud. Headers are installed on jack studs to properly support the weight above and transfer the weight to the foundation. In this case, the headers and anything above (roof) is supported by nails only. The headers are also single beams vs doubled beams. .Notice the header above the very wide entrance way, there is no supporting studs holding up that header! That headers job is to support the roof above. Anyone with basic framing experience would not do this. Rules may be different in SXM, but this is very shoddy construction and would never pass any inspections in the US.


I'm no construction expert, but you are correct about the headers being supported by literally nothing of substance, especially that big wide one... I would think it to be of such an expanse that even the upcoming roof load might bring it down?


Modi - You are correct about that long header above the wide opening. Maybe they will install 'Teco' brackets on the posts for support. Or maybe there is another type of support we can't see. Proper training may not be available in SXM but I'm sure they are doing the best they can.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: NJHarry] #68443
09/21/2015 06:44 PM
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Yes, they probably are doing the best they can and I'm glad they are doing this. It's going to be a vast improvement over the hodg podg that was there before.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: NJHarry] #68444
09/21/2015 06:51 PM
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I suspect that the curvature is subject to contractor discretion but the depth is probably specified. What you are seeing is the footer so I suspect that the wall itself is probably block, reinforced and filled with concrete. Not bad but the only reason that Pedro's and the original SSBB are still there is because they were poured concrete. As designed, the depth probably looked good but as of today maybe not so much. Job 1 for a sea wall is not to let the water get under it.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: SXMScubaman] #68445
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Yes, they probably are doing the best they can and I'm glad they are doing this. It's going to be a vast improvement over the hodg podg that was there before.


I really preferred the more rustic look of the original structures. They had more of an "island feel." Too bad there wasn't some way that they could've recreated the original structures, using stronger materials. Oh, well. What's done is done, but feeling like I'm "off the beaten path" is what I like about certain beaches on the island. With these new buildings, that feeling is gone on this stretch of Orient.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: mprevo] #68446
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Here is a new sign they put up behind the project. According to the sign (bottom right) "Delais 4 mois" I believe this means 4 month schedule. Not sure on the French, but I assume that is what they mean.

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Your assumption is correct. I'm French and what "delais: 4 mois" means is it'll take 4 months from start to finish. Nothing to do with the project needing 4 more months than planned which is what a delay in English means.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: plequerre] #68447
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Since they started in June, they will be finished in October then. Huhm....


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: Carol_Hill] #68448
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They may be done with the shell but the build out of the restaurants will take some time. It's more than just some tables and chairs.

Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: TravelHat] #68449
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Actually, that was kind of what I meant. They seem very far from where they should be, if they are going to be finished in four months.


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Re: Orient pictures from Bill 9730 [Re: Carol_Hill] #68450
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Actually, that was kind of what I meant. They seem very far from where they should be, if they are going to be finished in four months.


I agree and I was just commenting on the "delais: 4 mois" mentioned on the billboard. It looks like the main construction and connections to the grid were to be completed in 4 months, allowing interior work to start.

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