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Re: youtube video on Club O
[Re: sxmmartini]
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02/24/2016 10:09 PM
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Club O is listed in the credits !!?? Seriously? The mantra and promise of the club has always been to protect the privacy of its patrons. If it's true they sanctioned this they've got some explaining to do.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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02/25/2016 06:25 AM
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Most people would have not known anything about this had you not posted about it. You are only drawing more attention to it.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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SXMScubaman said: Just because club o is in the credits doesn't mean they approved or sanctioned this video. Which is why I said "If" and mentioned Club O's commitment to privacy. I doubt they would approve it. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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02/25/2016 07:30 AM
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kish said: This must have been made a long time ago. The beach has looked completely different for a few years, and Pedros now has different umbrellas. The video is about three years old judging by the comments section and has about 86,000 views.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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02/25/2016 07:58 AM
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sxmmartini said: It was taken on pedros property... but Pedro is on Club Orient Property. The beach is public and they really can not do anything but throw their weight around. Posting a video on youtube with my husband in the background is a problem. It's a big problem which is why Club O's security can and will make you delete any photo or video taken beyond the Club O sign or of that section of the beach. The French police will back Club O security on this every time. I've seen it happen more than once. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" />
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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ruralcarrier said: Most people would have not known anything about this had you not posted about it. You are only drawing more attention to it. She absolutely should post about it. Attention should be drawn to an issue like this. People who do things like this should be called out and the "rules of the road" so to speak put forth. Isn't that one of the purposes of this forum ? To inform, share and discuss experiences and issues for the benefit of everyone ? I'm pretty sure the OP knew what she was doing when she shared this. I for one applaud her. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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You are very defiantly missing something. Take a closer look. Her husband's face is clearly visible and the folks in the shot are obviously on a nude beach. You don't photograph people in a situation like this without their knowledge. The video is clearly being taken secretly and in an area that is posted for NO photography. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: youtube video at Pedro's
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02/25/2016 10:29 AM
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As martini stated is her response, the video was taken on PEDRO'S property. So, while the video was taken on Club O property, because Club O owns Pedro's property, it wasn't taken on Club O property, where the security guards patrol.
Honestly, these days, everyone has a cell phone that is capable of taking video and/or pictures. Club O does a decent job of preventing pictures on their property. However, with cell phones and even drones these days, whether it is legal or not or acceptable or not, if you're on a nude beach, you have to be prepared for the possibility that someone is going to take a picture or a video of you. Would I like it if a video showed up of me on Club O beach?? No. And I would think the person was pretty desperate, for taking video of me at Club O. But if the video were one like this one, where you basically don't even SEE the people in the background unless someone calls your attention to it, there's no way I would call attention to myself being in the video. If someone was taking pictures into my back yard, that's one thing. But on a public nude beach? It's hard for me to get too worked up about it.
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Re: youtube video at Pedro's
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Carol_Hill said: As martini stated is her response, the video was taken on PEDRO'S property. So, while the video was taken on Club O property, because Club O owns Pedro's property, it wasn't taken on Club O property, where the security guards patrol.
Honestly, these days, everyone has a cell phone that is capable of taking video and/or pictures. Club O does a decent job of preventing pictures on their property. However, with cell phones and even drones these days, whether it is legal or not or acceptable or not, if you're on a nude beach, you have to be prepared for the possibility that someone is going to take a picture or a video of you. Would I like it if a video showed up of me on Club O beach?? No. And I would think the person was pretty desperate, for taking video of me at Club O. But if the video were one like this one, where you basically don't even SEE the people in the background unless someone calls your attention to it, there's no way I would call attention to myself being in the video. If someone was taking pictures into my back yard, that's one thing. But on a public nude beach? It's hard for me to get too worked up about it. Then why have a no photo policy at all if it is your premise that it should be expected you will be photographed if you are nude on a nude beach. That might hold water on a non C/O beach but not here. There is a reasonable expectation of privacy here as evidenced by Club O's policy and the Collective's support of it.Point a camera at my wife and you will understand very quickly how she feels about her privacy and your lack of respect for it. Not you personally Carol but the photographer. I am a little surprised by your position being a friend of Sugerae as we were as well and know first-hand what she had to say about this subject. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: youtube video at Pedro's
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02/25/2016 11:25 AM
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As I said, the world is a different place than it used to be. Cameras and videos are everywhere. And frankly, I just can't get that worked up about it. It's kind of like the beach walkers at Club O in general. If they're coming to look at the 'zoo' of people at Club O, because they've never seen naked people, well that's their problem, not mine. And just because Sugarae was a friend of mine, like any friend, my opinions are my own, and don't have to mirror the opinions of my friends.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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02/25/2016 12:34 PM
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Actually, I believe under FRENCH law it is prohibited to take ANYONE's picture without their permission, regardless of how they are clothed. Regardless, that doesn't change my stance in this case.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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SXMScubaman said: So why address me? Your problem is with the person that took the video and posted this on YouTube, not me. I did not intentionally address you. Please do not take it personally. My problem is with ThickBusiness not you. Sorry!
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Re: youtube video at Pedro's
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02/25/2016 01:01 PM
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Carol, since you mentioned your back yard, and this is kind of along the same subject: Yes, the beach is public, but Club O's grounds are not. In November, we were staying in unit #115, next to the lane which leads to Pedro's. We had gone back to the unit for a nice, relaxing lunch, All of a sudden we heard loud, annoying hip-hop music, sirens, a guy on a loudspeaker and lots of commotion. It was "Da Party Bus" parked next to the wall, and the people on the top deck could peek over and hold up their phones to take photos/videos of the naked strangers. Tacky, tacky, tacky! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: youtube video at Pedro's
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02/25/2016 01:15 PM
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That is a different subject. I would have contacted the Club O office and have them make a complaint to the business involved.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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The legality under French law of the taking of a picture of someone in a public place without express or implied consent is not clear as a general proposition. With specific regard to the Club O beach, Club O has at a minimum the "concession" for the beach, has it clearly posted as a no pictures space, and there is the obvious nature of the use - those factors create very strong support for public authorities (e.g., gendarmes) to support and enforce Club O's security in acting aggressively to stop picture taking on the Club O beach. What clearly is illegal under French law is publishing any pictures without consent - even if there is no commercial motive. Of course, what good does the illegality do you if you find that someone has published your picture, taken without your consent on French soil, on the internet. I agree with you, Carol, in the real world today, including on the Club O beach, someone could be taking your picture without your knowledge and certainly without your consent. Yelling at anyone walking the beach with a camera in their hand, as I have seen some do without regard to any indication of actual picture taking, will not change the reality.
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Re: youtube video on Club O
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sxmmartini said: This video was seen by tens of thousands of people on youtube. And now it's been seen by another 1,000 + people on TTOL that would not have seen it without your post and link.
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Re: youtube video at Pedro's
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WHO should enforce this unwritten law?
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