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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/04/2016 09:03 PM
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I can't imagine anyone being nervy enough to bring their own wine into a restaurants serving area, but quite honestly, if I pay to rent chairs and an umbrella in the sand, I see nothing wrong with bringing my own drinks. And by the same token, if chairs are covered by the cost of drinks or food, I can't imagine being ballsy enough to bring my own libations. Just MHO!!
We spend some of our time at Mary's Boon, Dreams, El Zafiro and Friars Bay Beach Cafe and all provide free beach furnishings with the understanding meals and drinks will be purchased and I wouldn't dream of bringing anything in.
But people are all different and we did see a family of five or six people arrive at Karakters with a cooler a few years back. They bought a bucket of beer and enjoyed it and then discussed leaving their belongings to hold the chairs and going to SSB&G for lunch and to watch the plains come and go. Jorritt was furious and picked up all their belongings and gave the chairs away to new guests. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when they returned.......I'm betting it wasn't very pretty. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/04/2016 09:24 PM
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DandM29212 said: We all understand that we have different perspectives, but to me, this seems awfully similar to taking your own wine to a restaurant. Just because you're sitting outside on a restaurant's patio doesn't make it ok to bring your own wine, does it? Seems quite disrespectful of the owners and servers. Goes on all the time. It's what is called a corkage charge. At home we bring a bottle of wine to restaurants and pay them to serve it to us. There are even some restaurants that wave the corkage fee to encourage customers to come to their restaurant as a marketing tool. I once paid the 25 Euro corkage to have Mario's serve a special bottle of wine I brought with me from the states. They had no problem with it and the corkage price was even listed on the menu.
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/05/2016 01:42 AM
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DandM29212 said: Right! So people bringing coolers should pay a cooler charge! Didn't say that. Your missing the point as I was responding to a BYOwine to a restaurant that is a common accepted practice at many restaurants that allow and charge a corkage. No mention in my post about paying for a cooler unless you want to spin it that way.
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/05/2016 11:21 AM
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Bahston said: The vendors on Orient do not own the rights to the beach. It's a public beach. Bring your own chair, bring your own umbrella, bring your own cooler, and set up right next to them, or right in front of them. Tell 'em to call the Gendarmes if they don't like it. This is not accurate. The Collectivitie grants concessions to sections of beach. Why don't you try what you suggest and see what happens?
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/05/2016 06:38 PM
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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MrWhiskerssammy said: Granted, when you are sitting on a restaurant's patio you don't bring your own drinks---but sitting on a public beach in front of a restaurant who does not own that beach is definitely not the same thing at all. My take is it is the same if your are sitting in or renting their chairs
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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january said: pat, scubaman: Your remarks about bringing your own bottle of wine to a restaurant reminded me that at one time in Utah that was the only way you could get it with your meal. Your waiter went through the normal presentation ritual the same as if you bought off of their wine list. It always seemed nuts to me to go through all the motions even though you knew everything about the wine before you got there. [b][/b]Also, I always wondered what they would do if after tasting the ritual sip you said, "That is the worst wine I've ever tasted. Take it back." Never had the guts to do it. [list] That last is hysterically funny...... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/05/2016 08:12 PM
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No, not really. Not historically in SXM, for the vast majority of places. For those that are the exception and make that rule, I don't patronize them. Are you seriously saying that you shouldn't take your own drinks and/or snacks on the beach at Mullet??
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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Wow, hard for me to say it, but I totally agree with you. Pretty easy.. If you provide free chairs, I have no problem, I will not bring a cooler, etc. If I have to pay for chairs, and you won't let me bring a cooler, see ya!!
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/07/2016 01:55 PM
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Carol_Hill said: Well, gee, oldog, I guess I'm classless then. And I will continue to classless at places other than Sun Beach Clubber and Coco. Pretty friggin funny Carol! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> Us too! BobandJeana
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/07/2016 02:58 PM
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Carol_Hill said: Well, gee, oldog, I guess I'm classless then. And I will continue to classless at places other than Sun Beach Clubber and Coco. Stop trying to steal my thunder, everyone knows that I am the most classless person here.
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/07/2016 03:15 PM
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kim said: Mullet doesn't have an actual restaurant with formal dinnerware, flush toilets or showers and an actual building. Big difference. So no I'm not saying you shouldn't take your picnic to Mullet. Big difference in going to Mullet or going to Kontiki or Anse Marcel or Dreams or elZafiro <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/07/2016 03:35 PM
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/10/2016 09:39 AM
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My understanding is that she had absolutely no choice to be able to get a place in the new buildings, as they never had a direct lease in their names. They were subleasing from someone else, and the terms of the new leases with the Collectivite' were that there were to be no subleases.
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/10/2016 12:25 PM
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carol....i heard while down there a couple of weeks ago..the building at the end closest to pedros was ''reserved'' for her....but after all the delays, she decided it was time to give it all up. i think the idea of having to build roofs, the bar...and everything else was just too much for her to do. Besides the higher rents now...these guys have had to spend thousands and thousands of dollars building out their shells. The bar areas were not constructed by the collective...and we all know by now that the vinyl roof covering wasnt going to last at all. These expensives, plus having to outfit all the kitchens...etc....was just too much of an expense. It was VERY STRANGE, spending the time on Orient, and not seeing Cheryl's smiling face...not seeing the license plates....not eating Mussels ALA Andy...and not having that ''Cheers'' vibe that Andy and Cheryls had. Of course, a lot of the conversation down there was about Andy and Cheryl...and all the GREAT MEMORIES that were in that shack. The restaurant itself may be gone...but all the great memories will last a lifetime.
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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04/10/2016 01:47 PM
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No, I'm sorry, regardless of what you "heard", it was in the papers, NO subleasing and they never had a direct lease. That I know.
With regard to the new buildings, there are numerous problems with them, yes.
Memories, yes, we have a million of them ourselves.
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Re: Personal opinion of the ''new'' Orient Beach
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EdB said: carol....i heard while down there a couple of weeks ago..the building at the end closest to pedros was ''reserved'' for her....but after all the delays, she decided it was time to give it all up. i think the idea of having to build roofs, the bar...and everything else was just too much for her to do. Besides the higher rents now...these guys have had to spend thousands and thousands of dollars building out their shells. The bar areas were not constructed by the collective...and we all know by now that the vinyl roof covering wasnt going to last at all. These expensives, plus having to outfit all the kitchens...etc....was just too much of an expense. It was VERY STRANGE, spending the time on Orient, and not seeing Cheryl's smiling face...not seeing the license plates....not eating Mussels ALA Andy...and not having that ''Cheers'' vibe that Andy and Cheryls had. Of course, a lot of the conversation down there was about Andy and Cheryl...and all the GREAT MEMORIES that were in that shack. The restaurant itself may be gone...but all the great memories will last a lifetime. Is it confirmed? Cheryl will not open a place? Very dissapointing.
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