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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
[Re: TepeRacing]
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08/12/2017 06:41 AM
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TepeRacing said: They said the guy said the reef wasn't on the charts! Lol A chart plotter zoomed at the incorrect level will make all kinds of things disappear. Reefs even entire large islands are removed from the display some mistake for a "chart". That is just one of the reasons electronic chart plotters are so dangerous. Even more dangerous when used as the primary tool for coastal navigation. Depending on the time of day, cloud cover, and sun angle the reef may or not be visible. There simply is no substitute for proper use of the paper charts and visiable navigation aids once you are insight of land.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/12/2017 09:09 AM
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And, on the video the prop wash appears to indicate the skipper (I use the term loosely) is trying to power FORWARD over the reef. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/12/2017 10:15 AM
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NO! Moorings, Sunsail, Dream Yacht Charters, etc. don't require "captains" on their big catamarans, even up to and including 60 foot cats. No day sailor can be expected to understand these big cats unless they have significant sea time on the same model catamaran. But as long as the charter person has a credit card they can get a monster cat for a week! Just pay the deductible when you hit a reef <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> RatmansWife said: Doesn't Moorings require one of their own captains on cats that big? Not that professional captains are much better when it comes to avoiding reefs. I frequently see them too close to Diamond Reef so their guests can snorkel off the back. Anything for a big tip!
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/12/2017 12:23 PM
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Brown, brown run aground... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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Nevermonday said: Complete Idiots.. Ohh sorry the chart said there was no reef there .. You can clearly see the reef and there are two sets of markers to get in .. hope they get fined .. !! That is what happens when the helmsman goes heads down following the chart plotter around like the video toy chart plotters are near shore. Near shore the helmsman must keep his head out of the boat. If a chart plotter must be used a designated navigator should be tasked to use the screens well away and out of sight of the helmsman.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/12/2017 09:03 PM
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warren460 said: Truth is we will likely never know the details re how it happened. But we will continue with speculation that makes us feel as superior as possible.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/12/2017 09:36 PM
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MrEZgoin said: But we will continue with speculation that makes us feel as superior as possible. Really? Did you actually watch the video?
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/13/2017 12:17 AM
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MrEZgoin said:
But we will continue with speculation that makes us feel as superior as possible. I surely have no superior feelings, have made my share of errors over the years - but that is a very obvious REEF.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/13/2017 12:25 AM
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I think I would be way too embarrassed to take a White Bay mooring after that entrance - seriously. I once sailed aground entering into Drakes Anchorage restaurant in North Sound - I canceled my dinner reservation and anchored way far away that night. Totally embarrassed! And I had only forgotten to lift the centerboard.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/13/2017 12:48 PM
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StormJib said: Some of the underwriters also put a limit in "tonnage". The new materials allow larger boats within the weight limits. tonnage/weight. Huh?
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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boatjunkie said: Moorings will bareboat the 58 with 2 experienced skippers. I have looked into chartering the 58 and that is what I was told in the last year or so. Looks like that may not have been the case this time. We took the 58 out shortly after they were in charter - The size only played a role in docking so I'm sure they would have done this on any other boat as well.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/14/2017 07:12 AM
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casailor53 said:StormJib said: Some of the underwriters also put a limit in "tonnage". The new materials allow larger boats within the weight limits. tonnage/weight. Huh? I was thinking the same thing, I was taught tonnage was a factor of the space available for cargo and has nothing to do with the actual weight of the boat.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/14/2017 08:32 AM
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NCSailor said: A 50' mono with a single engine is much more difficult to handle than a 58' with twins. I would disagree with this. I could easily singlehand a 50 foot mono and did it many times. I would not consider trying to singlehand a larger cat.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/14/2017 11:24 AM
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RatmansWife said: And both are considerably more difficult after a day visiting beach bars. Just sayin'. If you are irresponsible <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/14/2017 01:28 PM
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casailor53 said:StormJib said: Some of the underwriters also put a limit in "tonnage". The new materials allow larger boats within the weight limits. tonnage/weight. Huh? Yes that is the way it works. The underwriters put limits on the weight and value of the boats the underwriters will insure for use without a crew. No insurance no finance along with some other issues. You may not like it but the underwriters decided what boats are bareboat and what boats are not. The marketing companies would rent anything the owners would buy and the customers would pay for.
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