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Ouch!
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06/21/2016 08:32 PM
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: StormJib]
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06/21/2016 09:04 PM
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GlennA
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THe retoric of island journalism often leaves something to be desired but this one is remarkable in its obfuscation. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" />
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. - Mark Twain
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: Elmtone1]
#101157
06/23/2016 09:04 AM
06/23/2016 09:04 AM
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Elmtone1 said: This is apparently a reference to sleepaboards the night before charter. I kind of doubt that. A yacht is considered a floating accommodation and sleep aboards have been offered since the inception of the charter industry in the BVI. Unless I was misinformed (by government) more than 20 years ago, the cruising tax was introduced as a "room tax" for yachts and the National Parks Trust mooring fee was initiated to cover the use of and costs related to maintaining the pubicly owned moorings at the various parks. I think the reference is likely to be exactly what the article stated ... that some companies may be offering accommodations (not aboard yachts) without being properly licensed or registered as a villa, hotel or whatever.
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: LianeLeTendre]
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06/23/2016 11:01 AM
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StormJib
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LianeLeTendre said:Elmtone1 said: This is apparently a reference to sleepaboards the night before charter. I kind of doubt that. A yacht is considered a floating accommodation and sleep aboards have been offered since the inception of the charter industry in the BVI. Unless I was misinformed (by government) more than 20 years ago, the cruising tax was introduced as a "room tax" for yachts and the National Parks Trust mooring fee was initiated to cover the use of and costs related to maintaining the pubicly owned moorings at the various parks. I think the reference is likely to be exactly what the article stated ... that some companies may be offering accommodations (not aboard yachts) without being properly licensed or registered as a villa, hotel or whatever. Are we paying our "cruising tax" on the night before our charter contract starts at 12 Noon the next day? When the cruising tax started boats where much simpler and nothing like a hotel. Today many of the boats have 24/7 air-conditioning, electric flushing toilets, real showers, real hot water and lots of actual space. In the 80's we always did a night in a room the day before and after a trip and would never sleep on the boats at the dock. Today the sleep aboard is just a better all around experience the day before a charter. I can see why the government will want to try and take another bite out of this much bigger apple. I am still curios about the false claims on the website? What did those of us who "know everything" not catch here?
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Re: Ouch!
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06/23/2016 01:04 PM
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GlennA
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Just last month as the accomodation tax increase was being discussed there was some discussion by some NDP minister that the accomodations tax should apply to boats. It wasn't clear whether they were referring to sleep aboards or the whole charter. It sure looks like they are going to eventually kill their golden goose.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. - Mark Twain
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: GlennA]
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06/23/2016 09:03 PM
06/23/2016 09:03 PM
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Posts: 1,239 Long Bay Hill, Tortola, BVI
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GlennA said: Just last month as the accomodation tax increase was being discussed there was some discussion by some NDP minister that the accomodations tax should apply to boats. It wasn't clear whether they were referring to sleep aboards or the whole charter. It sure looks like they are going to eventually kill their golden goose. They killed the golden goose a while back. It is slowly roasting on high heat right now, soon to be a crispy critter. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: StormJib]
#101165
06/24/2016 09:50 AM
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Last edited by Carol_Hill; 06/24/2016 12:54 PM.
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: dayhiker]
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06/24/2016 11:16 AM
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Anyone can spin it the way they like....... but the charter business is NOT dead in the USVI.
Any transition to and growth in, the BVI was, at least in MHO, due to a wide combination of things. 9/11 and changes in clearing between the 2 territories, BVI rules and regs for vessels registered elsewhere, some perceived advantages won by doing business in the BVI VS the US, and.. as always, the perception of " more time to explore the BVI" when you start on Tortola vs starting in St Thomas.
The BVI could lose some of those perceived advantages if the government makes it more difficult, and more expensive, to charter there.
Actions have an equal and opposite reaction. Intentions are not always rewarded in the way one hopes. Weather is what you get, not always what was forecast.
Taking it to the point where tourists and boat owners alike need a team of international lawyers and accountants doesn't seem to me to be a " growth perspective".
I'm sure others will disagree <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: StormJib]
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06/24/2016 12:56 PM
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StormJib--I don't understand why you copied and pasted what appear to be whole sections of the same article that you linked above, especially without even making any personal comment on it. "Fair use" of copyrighted material is a fairly amorphous thing, but it probably doesn't include six whole paragraphs of material.
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Re: Ouch!
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06/24/2016 05:11 PM
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Carol_Hill said: StormJib--I don't understand why you copied and pasted what appear to be whole sections of the same article that you linked above, especially without even making any personal comment on it. "Fair use" of copyrighted material is a fairly amorphous thing, but it probably doesn't include six whole paragraphs of material. Because it was from Facebook where the links can be troublesome. There was material in there that was not in the original article.
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: StormJib]
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06/24/2016 05:50 PM
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Carol_Hill
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I don't know with regard to Facebook, as I am not on Facebook. I frankly would be surprised if copyright laws don't apply, but I really don't know. I think that people ASSUME that copyright doesn't apply to Facebook, but I wouldn't know. However, humor me in future and if you're referring to the Beacon, post a link or a small quote and if you are referring to a Facebook entry, again, try a link or a small blurb.
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Re: Ouch!
[Re: JasonHelmbrecht]
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06/26/2016 02:45 PM
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JasonHelmbrecht said: Are there companies other than the Moorings that still has shore-side accommodations they offer? Voyage used to have a few rooms but they have been off the market for a several years. Horizon at Nanny Cay does. We stayed at their hotel after a charter several years ago, and the amenities there are really nice (maybe not as fancy as Moorings.)
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