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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
[Re: oilwench]
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09/09/2017 10:08 AM
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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StormJib said: Again more marketing BS from a desktop computer and telephone with zero intellectual connection with the skilled people on the dock owning the work. Again, more irrelevant analytical BS from a desktop computer, with scant intellectual content and opinions often devoid of factual basis. “Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” ~ Plato
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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aarpskier said:
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” ~ Plato ^^^^^ <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" />
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
[Re: StormJib]
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09/09/2017 05:25 PM
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StormJib said: Again more marketing BS from a desktop computer and telephone with zero intellectual connection with the skilled people on the dock owning the work. StormJib (AKA Pa_Ron and Ron Rowe), you've already been kicked off once. Why don't you just F*ck off and go away. You're nothing but a troll with no original posts. Your plagiarism will probably get this site shut down eventually.
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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09/11/2017 10:05 AM
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BVIYC had assiged spots in the west side of Paraquita Bay. All but a one or two boats broke loose there and piled upin the corner. Doubt all were totaled but most are not going to "buff out".
90% of Moorings boats were in the east side of Paraquita Bay and suffered the same fate. The othr 10% were in Wickham II and most of them are damaged too.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. - Mark Twain
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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09/11/2017 06:17 PM
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LittleBird said: There is plenty of misinformation floating about. Most of the BVIYC fleet was on the hard in Nanny Cay and is by no means lost. Ok, well I am going by what my friend said was told to him. I don't want to get his hopes up but it would definitely make his day/week/year if Syros is still alive and kicking. So far not much publicly is being put out by BVI Yacht Charters except the most important thing and that is their staff is all accounted for and ok.
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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09/12/2017 08:18 PM
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CGB said: For those that can explain....
Just how much banging/bashing and squashing... can a boat take before you can no longer "trust" the hull - even if obvious damage does not show?
I'm told - this "is" an issue of raising the wonderful wrecks that have been always sitting out of view, just under the surface in many places off Tortola The saltwater damages the invisible plywood/wood interior structure - and you can no longer trust the integrity A industry standard hull is very durable. The abuse the intact hull can take is substantial. The issue for most "damaged" boats is simple economics. Boats depreciate very fast just sitting at the dock in the sun. Even a boat with little damage can cost more to fix than the boat was worth before the event. Just replacing a Diesel engine may have greater costs than the boats actual cash insured value. Then add a generator? Then multiple ac's. A mast, rigging, and new sails. Rewire everything? Any of those projects can easily approach or eclipse the real market value of the 3-5 year old boat. Then add the issues of doing anything in the islands. If you want to worry about issues with repaired boats save the fretting for the electric gremlins that plague some boats. The hulls themselves that are not somehow crushed will be fine. They are all designed for the extreme use of sailing upwind in a seaway. On the other hand because of the location the industry may end up crushing and shredding many sound hulls that could be repurposed or put to some other use than a restored charter boat. During Sandy many of the insurance companies simply paid the cash value to the owners or their banks. Then put the boats in massive yards on the hard and sold and liquidated the damaged hulls "as is where is" to free the underwriters of any long term repair and hidden damage issues. Where would that yard be in the BVI to store a 1,000 or more damaged boats? The cost to ship a boat elsewhere for repairs could easily be $20k. I am betting many of these boats will be crushed and put in a hopper barge to be burned or dumped at sea. When you remove any of these clusters of boats with a crane onto a barge where does that barge go to be emptied? Lifting and loading a damaged boat can take hours of expensive crane and barge crew time. Crushing can be done in minutes. How long does the Tortola want to take to restore the bays and harbors to order? The underwriters will want to see Paraquita Bay restored and readied with a new storm plan before next June. No storm plan accepted by the underwriters and their may be a requirement to move all or many of the boats south before next June. There is great work and project planning to be done. I hope a massive outside general contractor is hired to complete the cleanup sooner rather than later.
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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09/13/2017 11:05 AM
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Sounds like a massive artificial reef/dive site in the making; Irma Reef?. I'm sure there are environmental steps to be taken to remove harmful fluids and solids but even with that expense, still probably cheaper than shipping and more beneficial than landfill.
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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09/13/2017 12:06 PM
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No Reef. Many of the wrecks will be auctioned off to salvors and liquidators. Those that cannot be handed off to liquidate will meet this fate into a large barge to be taken out of sight of land to be burned or dumped in deep water when no one is looking. A remote option is the piling up in a mass massive dump for a long, long, time. https://youtu.be/TcIImTns8OcThere are many video online showing the fate of hulls no one will buy. In Florida this type of disposal is very, very expensive.
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Re: BVI Yacht Charters
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09/13/2017 12:13 PM
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Seagar said: What self-respecting sea creature would turn down four staterooms, a spacious salon, and an elevated helm station? I'm in New Orleans, we have very successful artificial reefs in Lake Pontchartrain and the GOM. Successful in that each has matured quickly to promote and support incredibly healthy, diverse, and beautiful marine life. Ever dive on an oil rig? Not the first thought as a source of beauty but amazingly healthy ecosystems all on their own. I don't claim to be an artificial reef expert by any means, just thinking of the mass of material that will need take up space somewhere, why not something cool and productive on an otherwise barren seabed? Way too much work, way too much money, way too much time, way too much debate. The hulls will be sold and floated away by new owners or crushed into a dumpster/barge. That does not mean one or two will not end up as habitat for nature for a period of time. This is not the first storm with hundreds of hulls that must be disposed of.
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