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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/24/2017 09:46 PM
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Check before you assume that Voyage will refund a charter deposit due to a hurricane event.
We had a booking with Conch, and their terms explicitly state no refund for trips cancelled or curtailed due to a storm.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 08:58 AM
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I am confident that a lot if not most anchorages will have something going by spring/summer of 2018.
Availability of boats will likely be the main issue affecting charters next year.
If your charter is not cancelled by the charter company, then, please - by all means - go on your charter. The BVI people need your support. They need to make a living.
I think that you will find whatever anchorage businesses that are open to be far more friendly than normal.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 09:03 AM
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<img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> We will be there as well. My biggest question is will Riteway and all the provisioning outlets be running and able to deliver goods that we need on island. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif" alt="" /> BVI Mariner will hopefully have some good updates on anchorages and other information as well.
I'd like to be a jelly fish, cause jelly fish don't pay rent.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 10:45 AM
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MrEZgoin said: Check before you assume that Voyage will refund a charter deposit due to a hurricane event.
We had a booking with Conch, and their terms explicitly state no refund for trips cancelled or curtailed due to a storm. If the charter company does not have the type boat you booked they should upgrade you to a larger boat or refund your charter. At this stage it's tough to tell which charter companies will return to operation and which may shut down. If the smaller companies shut down I suspect getting a refund may be difficult. Voyage has had some financial issues however they restructured with assistance from a white night so I am not sure where they stand now. Charter companies generate the bulk of their future bookings from now through Feb and the bulk of their actual income from charters from 15 Dec through June. It's going to be critical for all the companies to get boats on the water for the winter season if they are going to survive. I fear bookings are going to be very week. G
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 11:18 AM
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GeorgeC1 said:MrEZgoin said: Check before you assume that Voyage will refund a charter deposit due to a hurricane event.
We had a booking with Conch, and their terms explicitly state no refund for trips cancelled or curtailed due to a storm. If the charter company does not have the type boat you booked they should upgrade you to a larger boat or refund your charter. At this stage it's tough to tell which charter companies will return to operation and which may shut down. If the smaller companies shut down I suspect getting a refund may be difficult. Voyage has had some financial issues however they restructured with assistance from a white night so I am not sure where they stand now. Charter companies generate the bulk of their future bookings from now through Feb and the bulk of their actual income from charters from 15 Dec through June. It's going to be critical for all the companies to get boats on the water for the winter season if they are going to survive. I fear bookings are going to be very week. G I just checked Moorings, they too will NOT refund due to circumstances beyond their control (like a hurricane). Voyage doesn't seem to have the agreement details up on their website, but I suspect this is standard.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 11:31 AM
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Well, sorry, if the person paid with a credit card, you can dispute the charge, based on services that are not rendered. That's federal law.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 01:50 PM
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DFish, we're in much the same situation with a mid-February charter with eight people (including eight first timers) with TMM. Got an email from them last week that said they're continuing to clean up and evaluate as they go. I think that my wife and I will probably still go even if we are on a small monohull instead of a large cat because we want to support the BVI. Obviously it's hard to make plans and to offer advice to the other crew with so much uncertainty. I just try to keep in mind that these sort of logistical problems are trivially insignificant in comparison to the life-altering situations that the people and businesses down there are facing on a daily basis.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/25/2017 10:56 PM
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Deepcut said: ^^^ Riteway is already open and serving the public. Seems they were damaged near as much as others. I was relieved to see them, as locals need market right away and boaters will need as they take to the waters in December/January. Can always have faith in those Canucks.... Jus' sayin' <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/canada.gif" alt="" /> Am I gonna get flamed for that ? LOL - go ahead.. bring it on
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/26/2017 12:20 PM
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CGB said: Hmmm... Gretzky..... Daughter or dad? <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" />
... DIF all the time...
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/26/2017 09:07 PM
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Carol_Hill said: Well, sorry, if the person paid with a credit card, you can dispute the charge, based on services that are not rendered. That's federal law. Be aware that if a company shuts down or files bankruptcy you will not be able to charge back a credit card deposit. The account has to have funds to cover the charge back. G
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/27/2017 11:41 AM
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d_fish said: I do know my friends. They will not go and I don't blame them. They are waiting for me to handle this. I was, after all, the person who convinced them to go in the first place. While I can completely understand someone thinking/wanting to cancel, on the other hand, I wonder what it was that made them want to go? By that time, the majority of the scenery will be there (leaves grow back..etc). The warm weather will be there. The crystal blue waters..etc. The biggest changes will be the lack of bar/restaurant options and in some/many places signs of what Irma did. I think much of that could be minimized by then though. Once infrastructure is up and running and homes being worked on, I'm sure appearance will be somewhat high on the list as well since it is a tourist destination. Not expecting you'd convince them otherwise, just curious as to what sold them in the first place?
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/27/2017 05:03 PM
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d_fish said: What sold them was the blend of vacation... a little bit of everything. Sailing, water activities, beach bars and some very nice restaurants and activities ashore. Perfect for blend newbies who aren't big sailors. Aside from the dining options, I'd imagine most of the other stuff might be viable. But I'm sure what they have seen already has them turned off from the whole thing. On a related note, I thought BEYC said they hoped to have rooms available in 6 months? I think at the time they stated it, that it may have been premature and very optimistic, but they've also done construction there and may have a good idea as to what it might take them?
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/27/2017 06:38 PM
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Regarding dining, I think you'll be very surprised. Sugar Mill is opening in October as planned, Brandywine has already served meals and will probably be back in full swing soon, I'm guessing Leverick will have something by Spring, Wonky Dog will be open, and I'm sure there are many more things.
Not to be an a$$, but your friends should lose their deposit if they aren't willing to give some time for things to recover. If they are really that anal about things being perfect, they should have paid for travel insurance to cover their perfect vacation.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/28/2017 01:06 PM
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Tough call. As I mentioned in a previous post, we're in sort of the same fix. All but two of the eight of us booked for February with TMM have been sailing in the BVI multiple times ( I'm on my 20-something trip since 1980). I'm not as optimistic as some about the infrastructure being ready for even a limited charter business by this winter, but I will gladly be proven wrong if that's not the case. D Fish, sounds like with you're group you should just consider getting as much of a refund as you can and you and your husband just get a monohull if available. (I think that's what my wife and I are going to do). Your friends can go some other time when things are a more back to normal. I'm not sure if many of the smaller companies without deep pockets are going to survive this. I'd probably try to get as much deposit money back as possible. I'm personally waiting to see what the status at TMM is going to be, but I've got another 7 weeks before I have to declare on my deposit. Good luck.
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/28/2017 02:26 PM
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We are planning on being there Dec 10th-20th. So I will be sure to report back on how things are then. I know Moorings/Sunsail plan to be open by then too.
Matt
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Re: Any word on Voyage in Sopers Hole
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09/28/2017 03:22 PM
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The Moorings has made the Sep owners payments due this week on their boats ontime. I take that as a excellent sign concerning their future plans. G
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