ok, i think you've convinced me. any particular potato you prefer for this recipe? i usually opt for yukon gold over russet when making mashed potatoes. the autumn apple cake was brought to the office today; it is well received, although i should mention that no one ever complains about the boss. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />