They always appear as if they're closed during the day, and while I don't know their summer vacation schedule, it would seem that most places do return and reopen by early November at the latest. Just make sure you don't get there before 6:00 as they open their doors promptly at that time and generally not before. '73 for us.... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Joy.gif" alt="" />