When is one considered a member of the "older crowd"...50s, 60s, 70s, 80s? One day I peered into the mirror and realized "Ich bin ein Geizer"... <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> All tongue-in-cheek of course, I think the older crowd is just the natural reality now.