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Re: Tipping in France
[Re: JohnandBev]
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06/16/2016 01:20 PM
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JohnandBev said: So my question is - can a fr side resto opt out of the service charge if they note it in writing to the customer?J&B Yes, by law, the bill must say "service non compris".
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Re: Tipping in France
[Re: wilsonck]
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06/16/2016 02:30 PM
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First of all, the menu is not required to state that service IS included. In absence of any other statement on the menu, the assumption is that service IS included.
Sadly, some restaurateurs and servers are less than honest with Americans, who are accustomed to tipping 20%. In France, and on the French side of St. Martin, unless the MENU states that the service is NOT included, then you can assume that it is.
Jon and Bev, the answer to your question is yes, but it must be noted on the menu, not the check. You need to know before you order if you're going to be expected to pay an additional amount for service, as the norm is for it to be included in France. If it's not printed on the menu, but is on the bill, then you're being taken advantage of as an American who doesn't know better.
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Re: Tipping in France
[Re: GaKaye]
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06/17/2016 09:31 AM
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GaKaye said: If it's not printed on the menu, but is on the bill, then you're being taken advantage of as an American who doesn't know better. This is the key. Moreover, I have seen bills where it says "tip not included." Another attempt to take advantage of the ill informed. As mentioned above, "tip" and "service" are one and the same. Of course no "tip" is included when "service" has already been included!
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Re: Tipping in France
[Re: GaKaye]
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06/20/2016 11:57 AM
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GaKaye said: [/i]The French side of SXM [i]is France. This seems to confuse some people. A lot of people seem to think that the French side of SXM is "sort of" France, but not really. Like the territory of Guam is "sort of" the United States, but not really. No. It is not like that. The French side of SXM is part of France, just like Hawaii is part of the United States. Go to the French side of SXM and you ARE IN France!
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Re: Tipping in France
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06/21/2016 12:20 AM
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GaKaye said: The only place on the French side that I remember the menu stating that service is not included is at Friars Bay Beach Restaurant, and it's been many years since we've been there. Another one is Sol E Luna where the menu states "We do not make a charge for service as we believe our guests should have the opportunity to reward great service at their own". Also, Papagayo's menu states "gratuity not included" on the bottom and it has been reported that they expect American style tips from North Americans. Club O's faq says "unlike many restaurants in France neither the Papagayo nor the Perch have gratuities included in the price of the food or drinks". Restaurants in France include service, as does Papagayo, but I don't know of any that include gratuities (the French pourboire) in the menu price.
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