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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: bigbone]
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09/21/2016 12:46 PM
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Have done GH to WB with 4-6 people several times. Always have my hand held radio and a light with me.
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: bigbone]
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09/21/2016 01:22 PM
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bigbone said: My opinion: great harbour-white bay with 4 people no problem.I think Leverick Bay to BEYC needs a bigger dingie than the normal ones. We did it in the Dinghy Poker Run for several years. We actually dinghied the whole north sound. Yes, it can get choppy and wet, but it's a load of fun <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" /> I don't do pictures, but someone can post some picks. We had some dinghies pretty loaded with people, pretty funny
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: bigbone]
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09/21/2016 01:23 PM
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bigbone said: My opinion: great harbour-white bay with 4 people no problem.I think Leverick Bay to BEYC needs a bigger dingie than the normal ones. We have done Leverick to BEYC/Saba during the day and it was fine. A little choppy from the wind but all that meant was we got a little soaked on the way there. Quickly learned that it is better to go fast in those conditions! <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" /> We have also done great harbour to white bay with no problem. those are the only two that I can speak of with confidence. again both in good light condition and good weather.
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: Breeze]
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09/21/2016 03:39 PM
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When I was younger, reckless, and naive I traveled great distances with small boats and outboards. If you travel the world by boat you will find some fisherman with outboards well away from shore in open water.
In very general terms check to see which way the wind and current are moving if the motor dies or you end up in the water you will travel with the current, the wind or both. If either one of those are moving in the direction of open water think twice.
If you must travel outside of the anchorage where you will be alone without other boats in earshot. Consider throwing the flare kit in the boat, consider taking a gallon of drinking water, consider putting a cell phone connected to the network in something water proof. Certainly take a hand held VHF if you have it. Note: The range down at the surface of the water will be very limited. Do not count on anyone hearing you. Always bring a PFD that you do not mind wearing in the water for a long time and a good hat. A piece of soft line to tie everyone who might end up in the water together might also be a good idea. Lastly the low profile boat can easily be missed by a larger boat's helmsman focused on his newest bit of electronics, romance, or finding the beer someone else put away. There are many reasons to consider not putting yourself in a small boat with no one else around for the moment.
To some real world experience. Upwind and downwind can be very different. I can think of one late afternoon trip from the Caneel Bay anchorage to US C&I. The boat was full with more females than males. Most of the ladies were sporting arms full of stuff they thought they needed for the big trip to St. John. The trip over was uneventful and the same with C&I. All a great day until the time came to turn the dingy around with the sun setting and head upwind. By the time we got back to our boat. Everyone and their stuff was drenched and all the girls were cold and unhappy. The guy(me) driving the boat will always get the blame.
One night in North Sound I saw a group head off in a packed dinghy for dinner downwind. Later that night as they were returning I heard and witnessed one of the finest display of lady profanity I have ever experienced. The girls got drenched in their "good" clothes with their "good" stuff. Hubby in all the distraction trying to drive a dingy upwind at night managed to foul the dinghy prop in a super yacht toy painter hanging off the stern... note to all... sometimes wet wives can be a lot like wet cats.
So after all the dribble I would recommend if you are going to leave the mooring field with a dinghy you do so upwind. If you start off downwind you may not know what going upwind will be like to return at the other end.
As a standing safety order on our boats anyone who leaves in a dinghy, kayak, or paddle board is expected to leave a note on the nav table stating what time they left and what direction they left in. If you ever have to go looking for someone? You will want to know how long they have been gone and what direction the went off in. This can be very important when you have active early risers aboard.
In any small boat upwind can be very different than downwind and fetch will change the sea state the further you get downwind. Just because you can go both ways next to the boat does not mean you will be able to make safe progress upwind at the turnaround point.
PM me if you want to hear a more adult story on not paddling off downwind....
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: sail2wind]
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09/21/2016 07:13 PM
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sail2wind said:bigbone said: My opinion: great harbour-white bay with 4 people no problem.I think Leverick Bay to BEYC needs a bigger dingie than the normal ones. We did it in the Dinghy Poker Run for several years. We actually dinghied the whole north sound. Yes, it can get choppy and wet, but it's a load of fun <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Groovin.gif" alt="" /> I don't do pictures, but someone can post some picks. We had some dinghies pretty loaded with people, pretty funny See link to video below skip ahead to five minutes and 30 seconds if you don't have time. If you do have time lots of familiar faces and good times. Leverick to Sand Box to Saba to BEYC to Fat Virgin and back to Leverick Loaded dinks https://videos.smugmug.com/BVIs-1/BVI-Videos/i-Lh2SJGR/0/SMIL/Lh2SJGR.smil/master.m3u8
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: boatjunkie]
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09/21/2016 07:34 PM
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once you are wet, your wet. been from Norman to Roadtown. Pub crawled all of North Sound. Went from White Bay to Sandy. Trellis to Monkey Point. Where the conditions right? Yes! I'm sure if you look back, I have proof that you can fill a dingy with water and it still floats....experience
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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09/22/2016 06:49 AM
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GeorgeC1 said: Charter dinghy engines are about as reliable as a election year promise to not raise taxes. If the engine quits a dinghy is going where the wind blows. It can't be rowed into the wind. Keep that in mind when looking at a long dinghy run. G I always felt the opposite...I've never had the slightest problem with a dinghy engine. I figure since they're running a bit every day they're ok. I've had a leaky dinghy though, but never a spot of trouble with an engine.
Kirk in Maryland
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: Kirk]
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09/22/2016 08:25 AM
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: Will_L]
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09/22/2016 11:04 AM
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"the manager will say when it doesn't work on a charter for say a third time SUmmer and requires a call, "that's it, I'm calling the owner and getting a new one." I do not doubt some manager on some dock somewhere said that once or even twice. But, that is nonsense. All the quality outboards are designed to last 4,000 hours or more. That is one hour a day for more than ten years. If a small outboard is difficult to start or has problems periodically there is an issue with a component that a proper technician should diagnose and replace the component. On the small dinghy outboards there are just not that many components to troubleshoot. If the compression is no longer adequate or the drive components inoperable that may be a different story. Intermittent issues is not a sound justification to toss the tool. Even with a brand new motor foul fuel, a fouled fuel system, or a poor electrical connector can produce intermittent trouble. To try and dodge all that when we rent we do our best to make the member of the crew with the least upper body strength test the outboard before we leave the dock. Now to really derail this thread. I have long felt unease with the charter operators who try to match a yacht owned specific dinghy and yacht owned motor with each boat. I have greater comfort with the operators who have a pool of dinghies and motors to send out with each charter leaving the dock. A 24 hour weekend charter turnaround is not much time for a technician to troubleshoot ornery outboards. With no pool of outboards and dinghy's the options are limited when my wife or daughters says "This one is hard to start". Please let me know where this dock is where outboards are trashed on the three strikes you are out practice. I may want to retire cleaning up and selling those outboards.
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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09/22/2016 11:13 AM
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GeorgeC1 said: You are very lucky! G Spun a prop on a Moorings dinghy once. We could make head way at 2-3 knots but that was it. Would have been dicey if we were a long way from shore in a stiff breeze.
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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09/22/2016 11:17 AM
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GeorgeC1 said: You are very lucky! G Or you aren't. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: Kirk]
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09/22/2016 11:26 AM
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Kirk said:GeorgeC1 said: Charter dinghy engines are about as reliable as a election year promise to not raise taxes. If the engine quits a dinghy is going where the wind blows. It can't be rowed into the wind. Keep that in mind when looking at a long dinghy run. G I always felt the opposite...I've never had the slightest problem with a dinghy engine. I figure since they're running a bit every day they're ok. I've had a leaky dinghy though, but never a spot of trouble with an engine. Rented 40' cat from Moorings, in May of this year. WHile we are in Cane Garden Bay, my buddy and co-captain Dale can't remember if he closed the hatches just as we start dinner. Heads back in the dinghy (at this point it is pitch dark. 10 minutes go by, 20, 30. We are all worried by this point. I ask for assistance from a couple on the dock to bring me back to the boat (much sign language as they didn't speak much English and I zero Spanish). Get back to boat, dingy tied up to stern. No Dale. Starting to get really worried at this point. More sign language to get the nice Spanish couple to bring me back to the dock. Thankful to see a very sweaty Dale grumpily eating his dinner. As I get back to the restaurant find out that the dinghy outboard had died half way to the boat, had to hale a passing dinghy to tow him to the boat (the same Spanish couple that transported me to and from!), tried to get the engine to start but no luck, gave up and paddle-boarded to shore to finally eat his cold dinner! So there you go. Moorings was good though. They were out the next mooring to swap in a new engine. All told delayed us by about 30 mins. Lucky that we were in Cane Garden bay and not Jost or Anagada though!
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: Guppie]
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09/22/2016 03:16 PM
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In this case, size does matter. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> We went with friends from Spanish Town to Saba Rock in their dinghy in July...
[color:"red"]NUTMEG[/color] Today is the tomorrow you talked about yesterday.
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: sail2wind]
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09/23/2016 01:06 AM
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sail2wind said: Steve, I could not open the video Not sure why. I just tried and it worked..anyone else have issues opening?
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: denverd0n]
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09/23/2016 08:55 AM
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When we think about how far we're going to go, I always think about having to row back if the engine was to fail.
Although we just got a dinghy for our boat since it's moving out of Moorings and it will have an 18hp engine and its new so that might give us a little more comfort going a bit further then we might otherwise (leverick to BEYC for example). It is also a decent size at 12'.
Matt
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Re: How far in dingies
[Re: StormJib]
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09/26/2016 04:33 PM
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StormJib said: note to all... sometimes wet wives can be a lot like wet cats. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Clapping.gif" alt="" /> But seriously.. we were doing a run back from White Bay to Great Harbor with 6 adults and 2 kids in the dingy. The two kids had on masks and snorkels because we were taking so much spray... After about 10 minutes of constant deluges my son in law who was driving quipped "We're more than half way there, and not quite half full of water. I think we're gonna make it!" <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Yikes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Wink.gif" alt="" />
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