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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: StephKY]
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05/19/2017 03:06 PM
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While there could be occasional topless use on Dawn, I certainly would not count on it at all. With regard to Princess Heights, suggest you might want to post a separate note about that.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: jeepers]
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05/20/2017 05:44 AM
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jeepers said: I have seen security insist women put tops on at great bay beach. At Great Bay, that makes sense. It's a cruise ship docking locale and has lots of newbies and families, etc. And it's location is less secluded feeling. Maho is similar in its "feel", and also has it's families and cruise ship crowds, but the Sunset beach bar has, and still does have, an effect on Maho's vibe, with that bar's history of topless women getting free drinks. (Even though I don't think that's still the way they do things over there, since their renovation.)
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/20/2017 06:20 AM
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There was at least two women sitting at the original bar back in March and were topless.
I never really understand the desire to go against local customs and laws. Just because some people choose to do something does not make it right, legal or acceptable. I have witnessed women being told to put their tops back on when on Anguila.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: ruralcarrier]
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05/20/2017 08:04 AM
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ruralcarrier said: There was at least two women sitting at the original bar back in March and were topless.
I never really understand the desire to go against local customs and laws. Just because some people choose to do something does not make it right, legal or acceptable. I have witnessed women being told to put their tops back on when on Anguila. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> Like the nudity at Cupecoy.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/20/2017 08:25 AM
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And then there's tradition.
We've been visiting the island annually since 1973 and while topless wasn't the norm on the Dutch beaches, Cupecoy was always the exception. There was NOTHING in this area and the beach access wasn't the easiest so almost anything was acceptable there from fully suited to buck naked and anything in between. It was a known tradition for that beach and everyone who might have something to say just looked the other way with regard to this one location. Basically, no harm, no foul. But you just knew, once the development of the area took place, people might agitate for changes in the tradition.
With regard to Sunset Beach Bar and 'drinking for free' - I've always wondered how that came about and whose palms were greased to allow it in the first place. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
Respectfully,
pat
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/20/2017 10:13 AM
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pat said: And then there's tradition.
We've been visiting the island annually since 1973 and while topless wasn't the norm on the Dutch beaches, Cupecoy was always the exception. There was NOTHING in this area and the beach access wasn't the easiest so almost anything was acceptable there from fully suited to buck naked and anything in between. It was a known tradition for that beach and everyone who might have something to say just looked the other way with regard to this one location. Basically, no harm, no foul. But you just knew, once the development of the area took place, people might agitate for changes in the tradition.
With regard to Sunset Beach Bar and 'drinking for free' - I've always wondered how that came about and whose palms were greased to allow it in the first place. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> I was always under the impression that the "Topless Ladies Drink for Free" was Neil Rooney's idea, but I may be mistaken.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/20/2017 11:13 AM
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To the best of my knowledge, you're not mistaken at all but I'd still like to know the 'how' of him bringing it into being. One more case of well greased palms, I'm sure?
This particular spot was always a great location long before the existence of SSBB, and likewise, the other end of the beach where the Boat Bar is today. Neil came up with a great gimmick that made someone a lot of money, I'm sure, as did so many of his entrepreneurial activities. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/handshake.gif" alt="" />
Respectfully,
pat
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: RICKnGRACE_LI_NY]
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05/20/2017 02:34 PM
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Some are still around.
Our favorite nude beaches pack in the mid 80's:
Cupecoy
Orient and a same section.
Dawn
Happy Bay
Tintamarri
Mullet (small section far from parking)
Ilet Pinel
Friars (once in while)
Gallion
La Belle Creole
Crand Case (the end)
Bay Rouge (1/3rd)
Terres Bas (on the rite)
That's all I can remember........
Some are still OK to go nude !!!!!!!!!!
Remember the Monolith Paul & Marion
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: SXMScubaman]
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05/23/2017 10:24 AM
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That's fine to say, but tourists have no reason to believe that simple female toplessness on beaches on the dutch-side is illegal. I do not believe it is illegal, but I could be wrong and am willing to stand corrected if someone can point me to a "law."
With specific regard to Dawn, at least pre-Luis (a way I can remember the time period) topless was very common on Dawn - there were very few cruisers going there – many if not most of tourists were European. Has the written law (that's positive law for you pre-law folks) changed since then? I doubt it. Has the vibe and what is common changed - sure.
(On the french-side, the written law did change in January 2006 with regard to nudity - but not as to toplessness, which always has been acceptable on all beaches on the french-side as a matter of law - but even on french-side an establishment can post a "No Topless" rule for its property, probably including an area of concessionaire rights, and have the right to have it enforced.)
Sorry, but it bothers me to see people making statements about the law who just are expressing personal opinions and do not really know what the law is. If you do not believe a woman should sunbath topless on certain beaches on dutch-side, you certainly are entitled to your opinion - but, I do not think it has anything to do with respect or lack of respect for local laws.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/23/2017 11:51 AM
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Not so much ... "it has anything to do with respect or lack of respect for local laws".....as respect for local customs. The Dutch side is/was much more "conservative" than the French. I think of it as someone walking down the main street of their hometown in a bikini. Is it illegal? Probably not, but I'd bet it is not culturally accepted. I have no law degree, but my personal opinion is that one must be respectful of the local culture. We are, after all, guests.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: sail2wind]
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05/23/2017 12:22 PM
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sail2wind said: What an active thread, why are Americans so obsessed with boobs. Have you seen them? They are awesome!
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/23/2017 01:06 PM
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In terms of people born on each side, I do not think that the dutch-side is more conservative than the french-side with regard to what people wear or do not wear at the beach. Indeed, it is the french-side that has passed a specific local law making nudity illegal on french-side beaches, with the only specific exception being the Club Orient beach. I am unaware of any similar local law on the dutch-side, although maybe there is one about which I know nothing. Although toplessness is not considered "nudity" necessarily, they are related topics.
So, if a potential tourist is planning a trip to Sint Maarten and looks here for information about whether she can sunbath topless at Dawn beach, or any beach dutch-side, what is the local custom to which you refer? Is there a set local custom for Dawn or any other beach that you can provide in advance, or does it depend on who is on the beach doing what on any particular day?
(I limit my remarks both explicit and implicit to beaches - I am not referring to main streets or anywhere off of a beach. With regard to home towns, it kind of depends on where your home town is, would you not agree?)
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/23/2017 04:02 PM
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tmsxmsails said:sail2wind said: What an active thread, why are Americans so obsessed with boobs. Have you seen them? They are awesome! some <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/Grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
[Re: Snorkeller]
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05/24/2017 03:55 PM
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My simple answer based on 25+ years of travel to the island and 40+ trips and knowing many local residents would be, "NO".
Now, if people want to disrespect local customs and strip down and run around naked and/or topless all over the island, I guess they can have at it and see what happens.
J.D.
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Re: Topless on Dawn beach??
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05/24/2017 06:30 PM
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Snorkeller said: Is it possible for you to offer an opinion limited to whether Dawn beach is a topless beach or not?
No one has suggested or is suggesting that it is legal or acceptable to "strip down and run naked and/or topless all over the island." Did you miss this part? My simple answer based on 25+ years of travel to the island and 40+ trips and knowing many local residents would be, "NO".
J.D.
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