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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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StormJib said: If you want a little more speculation since the skipper of the 5800 will not show up here for his trial. Same with the Mooring's Dock worker who "checked the two out". That boat may have been on autopilot. The boat hits the reef without slowing down and remains in gear well after impact.. There may have not been anybody near the helm with skills when the 5800 ground to a stop on the reef. This theory makes lots of sense. Thank you.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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I guess some people might think auto-pilot will avoid obstacles and pick up a mooring ball or drop anchor for you?
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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maytrix said: I guess some people might think auto-pilot will avoid obstacles and pick up a mooring ball or drop anchor for you? It is not unusual at all for some to just put the cursor in the middle of the area they generally want to go. Then head down to the head or deal with some other task. For that reason many of the charter companies would disable the early auto pilots, chart plotters ect.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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StormJib said:casailor53 said:StormJib said: Some of the underwriters also put a limit in "tonnage". The new materials allow larger boats within the weight limits. tonnage/weight. Huh? Yes that is the way it works. The underwriters put limits on the weight and value of the boats the underwriters will insure for use without a crew. No insurance no finance along with some other issues. You may not like it but the underwriters decided what boats are bareboat and what boats are not. The marketing companies would rent anything the owners would buy and the customers would pay for. Sorry, tonnage is a measure of VOLUME not WEIGHT. "You know nothing, Jon Snow!"
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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casailor53 said:StormJib said:casailor53 said:StormJib said: Some of the underwriters also put a limit in "tonnage". The new materials allow larger boats within the weight limits. tonnage/weight. Huh? Yes that is the way it works. The underwriters put limits on the weight and value of the boats the underwriters will insure for use without a crew. No insurance no finance along with some other issues. You may not like it but the underwriters decided what boats are bareboat and what boats are not. The marketing companies would rent anything the owners would buy and the customers would pay for. Sorry, tonnage is a measure of VOLUME not WEIGHT. "You know nothing, Jon Snow!" Believe what you want. In virtually all industries and markets he who has the gold makes the rules. In the charter fleet world that is the banks financing the owners boats and the insurance underwriters protecting the banks from losses. Pick up the telephone and try to get an insurance quote to bareboat a hull with a value of $2 Million or a gross weight of 150,000lbs. You will not find any underwriters willing to cover boats of that weight or value without a licensed crew. Keep the value under one million pounds sterling and you will find some takers for a bonafide charter operation. The marketing companies will gladly make the commissions on anything anyone is will to buy for them and the insurance companies willing to insure.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/17/2017 06:36 PM
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My understanding is that the stub keels on these boats are essentially sacrificial. If there was no other contact the damage may be relatively minor.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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08/18/2017 12:44 PM
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sail2wind said: water integrity? That means the hull remains solid and intact and no water comes into the hull or hulls or the opposite of catastrophic hull failure. Properly designed boats are more than capable of slamming into the bottom or other hazard in the water without sinking. See the video of the 5800 hundred and all the boats with scratches on the keels in any BVI anchorage. The good ones just get scratch when they slam into the bottom under power or sail.
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Re: Moorings 58 on reef in White Bay... really?
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Green Marker at Ivan's End is way off station....
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