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Fence on Great Bay Beach #158667
04/10/2018 09:28 AM
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Meanwhile the Maho Group and Sunwing are asking government for loans totaling $55M...

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Last edited by Carol_Hill; 04/10/2018 09:31 AM.

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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158669
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Disgusting


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158671
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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
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Meanwhile the Maho Group and Sunwing are asking government for loans totaling $55M...

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When they were little, I used to tell my kids, "You can ask all you want but the answer is still no!" Hopefully the government will take this position and then stand by their guns.

If the fence is truly a safety thing, I get it but if it's an attempt to block a portion of the beach then I truly hope the people of the island say something loudly and quickly.

I know tourism is important to the island but roofs are more important to people still waiting for them.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158673
04/10/2018 10:50 AM
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I see nothing wrong with either. The maho group is responsible for their property and what happens on it. Generally when there is destruction/demolition or construction, the property is blocked off from the population due to liability. I'm sure this was a directive given to them. As for loans, they are a large tax payer to SXM/ The Dutch and a large employer and contributed to the local economy. They are asking for a loan that will be payed back, not a handout.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158674
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That is NOT their property they have blocked off. It is public beach. Our government is all but bankrupt relying on $ from Holland to rebuild society, homes, infrastructure. Not resorts. We have HUNDREDS of people with no homes.

and when the next hurricane comes and they can't pay the loan? Perhaps they should invest in better insurance coverage.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158675
04/10/2018 11:29 AM
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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: SXMScubaman] #158676
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Yes, I saw that also. Not sure who it is that they are trying to fence out. I wonder if it is Captain D's again..


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158679
04/10/2018 11:49 AM
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Hope not. Like Captain D's. He's been jerked around enough.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158681
04/10/2018 11:57 AM
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According to friends who were recently on the island, there are now several "shacks" in the vicinity of Captain D's, which I think now has a new name. I have no idea who the fence is directed but I have thought for some time that there may be the instance of "squatters" just throwing up a shack on land they have no legal rights to, no permits and running a business. I think I recall PDP getting some land between Royal Palm and Toppers in some sort of exchange a while back.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158683
04/10/2018 12:18 PM
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Those are the places put up when they started busing cruisers to Kim Sha. Chair rentals too. Captain D's is bigger than ever.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: BillandElaine] #158685
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Is it still called Captain D's or has the name changed? I thought I had been told it was now just called "Captain's".


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: BillandElaine] #158686
04/10/2018 12:48 PM
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"That is NOT their property they have blocked off. It is public beach. Our government is all but bankrupt relying on $ from Holland to rebuild society, homes, infrastructure. Not resorts. We have HUNDREDS of people with no homes.
and when the next hurricane comes and they can't pay the loan? Perhaps they should invest in better insurance coverag.

The local authorities will have them take it down if they over reached. As for the loan, they can put in a request just like every other tax payer has the right to do. It's up to the SXM government if they think it's vital for the island recovery and grant it or deny it. As for the hurricane fund itself- I would be much more concerned if it even gets past the SXM government never mind to who and for what. We all know how corrupt they are. [

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: BillandElaine] #158687
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Those places supposedly have permits from the government, that were set up to service the cruise ship passengers. I don't think that Captain D's was given one of those permits. Not sure exactly where this fence is supposed to be, in relation to those places.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: dmwieser] #158690
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Originally Posted by dmwieser


The local authorities will have them take it down if they over reached. As for the loan, they can put in a request just like every other tax payer has the right to do. It's up to the SXM government if they think it's vital for the island recovery and grant it or deny it. As for the hurricane fund itself- I would be much more concerned if it even gets past the SXM government never mind to who and for what. We all know how corrupt they are. [


Every penny from the Dutch government will be overseen by the Dutch government or we won't get a penny. It was part of the deal. No Integrity, no $$


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158691
04/10/2018 01:33 PM
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Good to hear about Captain D's. Now that Lee's is gone that will be our first night go to for takeout ribs this May.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158692
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Nothing says "Paradise" better than a chain link fence....

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158693
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If it were my property, and squatters had any chance of taking it over, I'd fence it in as well. That was a great access though. Probably hoping for a lease agreement.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: boucharda] #158694
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Originally Posted by boucharda
Nothing says "Paradise" better than a chain link fence....

Really adds to the ambiance. Especially in the wake of what Irma did.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158697
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Someone put up fences at Dawn Beach too. There used to be a one meter wide path between Coral Beach Club and Busby's, but after the storm, the path was littered with debris. One can't get to the Dawn Beach via the Weston, because it is closed and guarded. Where Busby's used to be, is where the fence is located. We never did find a way to the beach there.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: SXMScubaman] #158700
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Originally Posted by SXMScubaman
Originally Posted by boucharda
Nothing says "Paradise" better than a chain link fence....

Really adds to the ambiance. Especially in the wake of what Irma did.


Sometimes, good fences make good neighbors.


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: ruralcarrier] #158701
04/10/2018 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ruralcarrier
Originally Posted by SXMScubaman
Originally Posted by boucharda
Nothing says "Paradise" better than a chain link fence....

Really adds to the ambiance. Especially in the wake of what Irma did.


Sometimes, good fences make good neighbors.

So true in many ways.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: ChiTownHarry] #158702
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That's really a shame, what the Westin did to Dawn Beach, and now you can't even get to it?? That's awful..


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158703
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I thought since all beaches are public they would have to provide some sort of access to it.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: Carol_Hill] #158717
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Here is a pic of the Westin fence closing off the beach and at night there are roaming Guard Dogs within the fenced in area.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....1839006706120556&type=3&theater

There was a Motion signed considering BEACH ACCESS: 17th day of April 2013

The Council of Ministers need to draft and implement a Beach Protection Ordinance.

The Minister of Housing, Spatial Planning, Environment and Infrastructure (VROMI) are needed to strengthen legislation.

Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: sxmmartini] #158718
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Absolutely ridiculous! Pretty soon there will be NO beaches that people can access on the Dutch side..


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: sxmmartini] #158721
04/11/2018 09:37 AM
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“.......

The Minister of Housing, Spatial Planning, Environment and Infrastructure (VROMI) are needed to strengthen legislation. “

[/quote]

Hope these aren’t the same groups that are writing the new and much anticipated timeshare ordinances ........


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Re: Fence on Great Bay Beach [Re: pat] #158725
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