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Endless water #160301
05/05/2018 07:54 PM
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Just completed a week on my boat Dream Machine out of CYOA. She had a water maker installed a couple months back and this was our first trip with a seemingly endless amount of water. Game changer! Stand in the shower as long as you want. First time felt a little guilty but got used to it in a hurry. Hose down the cockpit floor. No worries... just turn on the plant and presto the tank is once again full. No need to plan for where to fill water. Water makers are cool!


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Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160307
05/06/2018 06:08 AM
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Watermakers are a big game changer. 5 years ago they were a rarity on charter boats. Now I believe CYOA has them on all their catamarans and their larger monos.

For my charter clients, it provides tremendous itinerary flexibility eliminating the need to seek out a marina every 3-4 days and sometimes more frequently for a water refill (often having to circle and wait for the dock to free up), and it avoids the added stress of docking a 50' cat.

As an owner, I appreciate the 30~40 avoided docking encounters per year with fewer potential hull bruises and less transmission wear.

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160342
05/06/2018 08:05 PM
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Other charter companies claim that water makers breakdown too frequently to be worth installing. Does CYOA have a magic potion?

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160352
05/06/2018 09:33 PM
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Most charter companies are installing water makers now. They are a maintenance issue but in the last few years are much better. I find however that on a cat with 210 gallons we get water once a trip and don’t ration it. Normally that is at the dock somewhere mid trip so not much of a issue to spend 15 minutes topping the tanks.
One problem is that if a boat has a water maker and it’s not working or breaks charters get upset. Some even demand a boat swap.
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Re: Endless water [Re: DEL] #160356
05/07/2018 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DEL
Other charter companies claim that water makers breakdown too frequently to be worth installing. Does CYOA have a magic potion?



Like any other marine equipment there are failures. This is a relatively low number. It requires skilled staff, spare parts and maitenance. Not all charter comlpanies are created equal. blush

Re: Endless water [Re: CaptainJay] #160357
05/07/2018 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainJay
Originally Posted by DEL
Other charter companies claim that water makers breakdown too frequently to be worth installing. Does CYOA have a magic potion?



Like any other marine equipment there are failures. This is a relatively low number. It requires skilled staff, spare parts and maitenance. Not all charter comlpanies are created equal. blush



So True Capt Jay. : Have used CYOA in past and you are up there with the better charter companies. BIG not always better, especially in charter industry.

Which water maker do you prefer? Do you pickle in-between charters if there is going to be a 3-4 week gap(or flush only?)


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Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160358
05/07/2018 05:10 AM
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Last year, it took our family of four (me, wife and two daughters) 10 days to use the first 110 gallon tank. I wanted to see how far we could go by being smart with water. This year, we will likely use more, but it is amazing how much water you save with showers off the back of the boat.

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Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160360
05/07/2018 07:11 AM
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I know the Moorings is now ordering boats with water makers. What I don’t know is if they will cut the tankage on those boats. A 4 head 4 cabin cat with only 105 gallons will not be fun. Does CYOA retain full tankage?

Re: Endless water [Re: GeorgeC1] #160370
05/07/2018 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeC1
I know the Moorings is now ordering boats with water makers. What I don’t know is if they will cut the tankage on those boats. A 4 head 4 cabin cat with only 105 gallons will not be fun. Does CYOA retain full tankage?

I can only comment from my own experience. There are no "standard" configurations with the boats at CYOA. Each owner configures their boat the way they want them. In my case Dream Machine has the standard tank plus the aux water tank.


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Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160400
05/07/2018 04:07 PM
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What brand of water maker did you have installed and what is the gph? Thanks

Re: Endless water [Re: keevers] #160414
05/07/2018 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by keevers
What brand of water maker did you have installed and what is the gph? Thanks

Aqua-base
It runs on 12v and produces roughly 15 gph.
Pretty much all automatic operation. Three buttons. Green to make water. Red to stop making water and blue to back flush.
Package is small enough to fit in one of the rear holds of a Beneteau 45.


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Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160538
05/09/2018 03:16 PM
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We've chartered quite a few boats with Watermakers from CYOA and have never had one fail.
On the flip-side, I'm becoming an expert in changing generator impellers. They hate me. duh

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160550
05/09/2018 06:30 PM
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The generator impeller issue on charter boats I am convinced is because people run them while underway. You get a little rough water and the intake sucks Air. Does not take much to burn it up.

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160551
05/09/2018 07:54 PM
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I can't imagine it is much of a boat design that wouldn't allow the generator to be used underway. Making any sort of passage, overnight or multiple days , charter boats aren't made here in the VI, they had to be sailed here from Somewhere!

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160554
05/09/2018 08:52 PM
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The only time we have had a problem was when we sucked up enough sea grass overnight that the flow rate was impeded to the point the generator shut itself down (like it's supposed to). We continued to use the generator fine after cleaning out the strainer and didn't have any sign of trouble. But when we returned back to CYOA they immediately yanked the impeller out which indeed had some damage (i.e., a little bit melted).


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Re: Endless water [Re: GeorgeC1] #160558
05/10/2018 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeC1
The generator impeller issue on charter boats I am convinced is because people run them while underway. You get a little rough water and the intake sucks Air. Does not take much to burn it up.
George... We never had a problem running the generator while underway. Intake was at a low point on the hull, near engine intake.

It's probably a bad after-market generator installation if you have problems with air getting sucked in.

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160575
05/10/2018 10:48 AM
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We were told not to run the generator while underway on a Moorings 474 PC. Perhaps newer models have changed this restriction

Re: Endless water [Re: GeorgeC1] #160589
05/10/2018 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeC1
The generator impeller issue on charter boats I am convinced is because people run them while underway. You get a little rough water and the intake sucks Air. Does not take much to burn it up.


Maybe, but I never, ever, run it while underway.
I'm 6-for-6 in the last 6 charters.

Re: Endless water [Re: agrimsrud] #160593
05/10/2018 01:38 PM
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My understanding from our checkout on a 433PC last year was this was the only Moorings boat where the generator could be run while underway, due to the placement of the intakes.

Burge - can you confirm?


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