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Re: Air France “reverse” runway-why.
[Re: the captain]
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02/25/2019 09:26 AM
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I don’t know anything about the technicalities of why or under what circumstances an over the water take off is made but it is nothing new for the occasional plane to take off this way. We took a photo of Air France doing so in November after watching her do so several flights running during our time at BSV. In talking about it, someone mentioned the ultimate decision of which direction is up to the pilot. True? False? I don’t know and this could be pure fiction but we see it happen often enough that it no longer seems unusual to us and we’re not on island nearly as much as so many others.
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Re: Air France “reverse” runway-why.
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02/25/2019 09:41 AM
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Yeah, happens frequently when the wind is light. See it all the time.
Elaine ********************************* God Bless the broken road....
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Re: Air France “reverse” runway-why.
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02/25/2019 12:39 PM
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Oh we’ve taken off in that direction too. JetBlue to NY but that does make logistical sense (to me at least ) since you are headed in the right direction They did it everytime for two weeks in January. If the winds are neutral (calm) to favorable (headwind) it is their choice. Probably saves fuel as you get a normal climbout and a right 180ish turn enroute to Paris. Taking off towards the mountain requires an immediate climbing right turn and then either a left S turn to Paris or 3-3.5 more right turns (270ish) to get on course to Paris. I guess. I found this interesting. Runway procedures http://www.uvairlines.com/admin/resources/TNCM.pdf] Runway 10 takeoff procedures. Seems the Ai Frances usual runway 28 (these days ) burns more fuel. Ultimately thought, it’s the pilots call Just interesting.
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Re: Air France “reverse” runway-why.
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02/25/2019 04:43 PM
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Haaa. I seem to remember something like that too. He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day!
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Re: Air France “reverse” runway-why.
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02/26/2019 04:34 AM
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From years ago, total rumor and likely without a single grain of truth in it, it was said that the first Eastern Airlines "Heavy" test flight out of SXM, over the hill and with a full load of fuel, had brush in the landing gear when it returned to Miami. In my opinion, that's implausible, and impossible for any airline to allow to happen. But it was a rumor which was thrown around in the bars for awhile.
I know that Eastern flew at least A300's into SXM, and possibly larger aircraft. I arrived on many Eastern (and Pan Am) flights, but I have zero recollection of the aircraft types.
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Re: Air France “reverse” runway-why.
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02/26/2019 08:13 AM
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As an airline nut, I miss most of those airlines. But most of them aren’t here for some operational inefficiencies or bad decisions on how to run the railroad. Pan Am was a stud with all the places they went. They were the “chosen instrument” to get to far flung places and we wouldnt have the 747 without Pan Ams Juan Trippe. As for Eastern, they were the fun airline and Delta was the businessman’s airline. Eastern went to SXM and the Bahamas for vacation and Delta went to Dallas and Detroit for biz trips. Same airplanes, same presence in Atlanta, but the efficient horse one the race. Deregulation didnt help either of them as it revealed their weaknesses. It would be cool to see them flying though. https://www.google.com/search?q=pan...biw=736&bih=322#imgrc=8jOhpJNiRlSHoMPan Am probably brought the Jumbo into PJIA first if I had to guess.
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