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Captain Oliver's in limbo #200830
07/24/2019 09:16 AM
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I see another Mullet Bay here. This is a situation which the two governments should resolve, but it seems there is no will to do so.


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Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: Carol_Hill] #200835
07/24/2019 10:26 AM
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It's absolutely astonishing to me that the only victims in these poor and/or lack of decisions by the respective governments is the owners of property. We complain here in the US that the wheels of justice turn slow; that civil cases can drag on too long, but it seems to me that this situation and the Club O situation prove that the governments of the island have stopped the wheels of justice. I couldn't imagine a property dispute taking so long to clarify.



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Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: Carol_Hill] #200866
07/24/2019 02:17 PM
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It is unbelievable that issues like this can not be resolved in a timely manner. It takes pressure and persistance to move these matters forward. I bought property close to Captain Olivers and have so many great memories.
Here is an older article that explains more about the dispute of French/ Dutch border.
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http://www.soualigapost.com/en/news/6397/coopération/border-oyster-pond-reason-behind-another-conflict

There is no dispute registered with the International Seabed Authority... That is what would give a final closure to this problem. Take it out of the hands of the SXM governments and let the real authority mark the EEZ zone.

http://atlas-caraibe.certic.unicaen.fr/en/page-122.html

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Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: sxmmartini] #200941
07/25/2019 08:54 AM
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Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: Carol_Hill] #201134
07/26/2019 06:31 PM
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I was thinking about how this issue can be resolved and thought why not sell the hotel without the restaurant which is just a dock. The hotel is on the French side. The restaurant is on pilings in the lagoon which is on the Dutch side. The Dutchside should never have given a permit for the hotel in the first place. It all has to be demolished anyway. Start from scratch with the original land/ property.

Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: Carol_Hill] #201141
07/26/2019 07:34 PM
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I would guess there is some sort of value being able to say or do business out of two different countries, probably some pain in the rear items such as two different tax systems. Reminds me of the stories of places on the Cal Nevada border that would build on both sides and then have the bar on wheels and move it from side to side based on which tax collector was coming.

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Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: Carol_Hill] #201142
07/26/2019 07:58 PM
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The treaty of concordia explains waterways and before UNESCO became the authority it was wriiten...

https://www.st-maarten.com/index.php/island/history-overview-st-maarten-st-martin/treaty

"The harbours will be common shared by both French SXM and Dutch SXM.

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Re: Captain Oliver's in limbo [Re: Carol_Hill] #201658
08/03/2019 02:57 AM
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It is sad to see folks caught in limbo. The more i learn about the island and the delays is that the delays are only worth it if they cure the long term problems of establishing property lines, clean deeds and titles.

Some people will get hurt and lose financially as things are straightened out or at least formalized.

But one would hope with computer record keeping, gps and laser surveying equipment that long-term ownership and future transfers would be clean after the pain is suffered.

I would be so pissed and stressed if my future and fortune were tied to some bureacrats in Paris and the Haque.

I dont think I would be impressed by local bureaucrats but at least I could show up at the office everyday to check status and sweet talk officials.


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