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Travel advisory #208530
11/08/2019 11:42 PM
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I believe it is time for the DOJ to increase the travel advisory to Mexico after the horrific slaughter of American Mormons a few days ago. The drug cartel are in control. NO place is safe in Mexico.

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Re: Travel advisory [Re: LBI2SXM] #208577
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That situation was apparently a pretty isolated situation, nothing that should translate to any kind of a travel advisory.


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Yes. Very unfortunate and very, very sad...


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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
That situation was apparently a pretty isolated situation, nothing that should translate to any kind of a travel advisory.


"pretty isolated situation?" Certainly you must be aware of the constant murders all over Mexico by the ruthless drug cartels. According to their newspapers, this was a wrong hit which means they will kill anyone in their way.

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I used the wrong words to describe the situation, but I still think you are over reaching on this situation. Were you a victim of a crime in Mexico?


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Isolated? Over reaching? There were over 30,000 murders in Mexico last year that were reported (how many unreported?).


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Re: Travel advisory [Re: Carol_Hill] #208659
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Originally Posted by Carol_Hill
I used the wrong words to describe the situation, but I still think you are over reaching on this situation. Were you a victim of a crime in Mexico?


What does that have to do with it? Not a victim of a crime in Mexico because I would never go there. The authorities just dug up 10 more bodies in the same area where they dug up 58 last week, mostly woman and children. I guess you could consider that isolated also.

Re: Travel advisory [Re: LBI2SXM] #208727
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Originally Posted by LBI2SXM
What does that have to do with it? Not a victim of a crime in Mexico because I would never go there.


Yes, Cartels are dangerous.
Take a moment to translate And read some of these news reports for a MUCH wider view of the Mormon Polygamist situation.


Es más que narcotráfico, explotación, bigamia y religión. Es Politica interna, é interés internacional.
Un trasfondo obscuro.
Este conflicto por invasión de sus tierras ejidales de los "Barzonistas" y entre más de 7 mil mormones que son otra organizacion de los "Le Barón" contra en narco tiene ańos metidos en actividades ilícitas iniciando con la conducta del ex diputado de PRI, Jorge Le Barón......
Y todos los gobernadores de chiuahua sólo negociaban jugosos acuerdos entre ambos grupos llegando hasta las plurinominales en puestos de elección popular .... pero hasta el más ingenuo pensaría...... ¿ Entonces qué hizo el actual gobernador del PAN Corrales ????
Porque nunca informo de este conflicto???
Cada estado tiene su autonomía y el poder recide en su Congreso local....
Entonces ....¿ quiénes son los más culpables??.?
La conducta tan dolosa del gobierno estatal de Chihuahua y de Sonora pues ellos tenían en sus manos este grave problema... Y hoy lo utilizan para criticar al gobierno federal... cuando ellos son los únicos culpables de esto tan vil y desgraciado que hasta nińos inocentes se llevaron..... Por eso quiero explicarte algo que es LA VERDAD que sólo los Chihuahuenses lo vivimos y lo sabemos desde hace muchos años.
Hola compañero, ...Benditas redes sociales.... Mira te envío esta información.... para que los mexicanos no nos confundan, y nos demos cuenta desde cuando ya existía estos enfrentamientos y el pan....muy a gusto.
Yo pertenezco al estado de Chihuahua, actualmente se está hablando mucho de 💣💥 LA FAMILIA DE LOS LE BARON 💥💥💣
Muchos no saben y desconocen desde cuando existe este grave conflicto, pero yo sí recuerdo muy bien lo que pasa. Este nos es un problema actual es un tema desde el 2018.
Es mi deber como parte de la comunidad de Chihuahua informar a todo el pueblo de México lo que pasó y así ayudar a qué formen sus propios puntos de vistas y tener un criterio sobre el tema.
El problema con los lebaron es una disputa sobre el control del agua y las tierras entre la familia lebaron y los del grupo del barzón (ejidos que están al rededor).
En varias ocasiones estos dos ya habían tenido enfrentamientos tanto a palabra como uso de armas.
Lo que me inquieta más que nada es como algunos políticos y algunos medios de comunicación están utilizando la nota como arma política para criticar al gobierno federal e incluso para justificar una intervención militar por parte de estados unidos.
No justifico en ningún momentos comentarios o acción del gobierno federal, pero si crítico la acción de gobierno estatal de sonora y de chihuahua ya que ellos ya tenían en sus manos este problema desde el 2018
Estas son todas la fuentes de los hechos, míralos, dale me gusta y comparte para que más gente lo mire
29 diciembre 2017
Barzonistas pelean con lebarones
https://youtu.be/hTtcEz3krys
30 abril 2018
A balazos reciben lebarones a barzonistas en buenaventura, chihuahua
https://youtu.be/G9UkuHFAhf0
30 abril 2018
Ejidatarios atacan a rancho de la familia lebaron
https://youtu.be/AOWc6Dm6heY
https://youtu.be/R5LkuTrqRc4
1-2 mayo 2018
Invaden rancho lebaron
https://youtu.be/ej22kaWtntQ
https://youtu.be/CL1LqI1NblM
https://youtu.be/NtpmlHfkXxU
https://youtu.be/0dA0MBv5-ps
1-2 mayo 2018
Grupos del barzón irrumpen en rancho lebaron
https://youtu.be/1Ut-IymcqpM
1-2 mayo 2018
Grupos de barzón irrumpen rancho propiedad de lebaron
https://youtu.be/_6MMKI2QKcc
4 mayo 2018
Habitantes de lebaron preocupados por amenazas de grupo barzonistas
https://youtu.be/KB6hLz_OjLA
https://youtu.be/6a0WOuO1hi8
https://youtu.be/NtNnu1CDDnI
https://youtu.be/g39tXZCgz98
Y la información sigue fluyendo.
https://vanguardia.com.mx/…/javier-corral-acusado-de-proteg….
"No se justifica para nada la muerte de niños y mujeres inocentes, se ven muy cobardes los grupos delincuenciales, PERO EL LIDER MORMON JOEL LEBARON SOTO Y VARIOS DE SUS HIJOS COMO BENJAMIN a quien ejecutaron por narco en el 2008 , y el dizque activista Julián Lebaron , yn b el hermano de joel lebaron , Daniel lebaron a quien también ejecutaron por narco hace años en Sonora , tienen DECADAS dedicándose al narcotráfico, y eso lo sabe mucha gente en los municipios de Buenaventura y, Galeana, Lebaron etc, y además de cometer muchos atropellos y abusos contra mucha gente humilde , como despojos de tierras, explotación de pozos acuíferos clandestinos en perjuicio de cientos y cientos de campesinos etc etc.
Incluso hasta la mama del ex diputado Alex lebaron González , la Sra María González estuvo detenida por tráfico de drogas en el cereso de CD juarez del año 2002 al 2011 aprox.
Y desde el 2009 tienen una escolta de la policía federal de unos 50 agentes y 12 unidades artilladas que les otorgó el gobierno federal a raiz de la ejecución de Benjamin , y en donde la familia Lebaron se "victimizo" , y con la que cometen infinidad de desmanes como golpear gente, desarmar cada que se les antoja a los policías municipales de Galeana , de Lebaron y hasta de golpear a los policías municipales etc etc .
De hecho en el municipio de Galeana a la familia Lebaron los conocen como " el Cartel de Galeana" y son repudiados por mucha gente.
Y hace 3 años a Joel lebaron lo acusaron de mandar ejecutar a un ganadero de apellido Cruz porque era de los pocos que no se dejaban de sus arbitrariedades , y el Sr cruz demandó a Joel lebaron , y un día antes de iniciar el juicio por la demanda que le interpuso el Sr Cruz lo ejecutaron, y todos saben que el autor intelectual fue JOEL .LEBARON SOTO etc etc
Y muchas cosas más que se podrían contar de esta familia Lebaron y por las cuales ya van varias cosas similares que les pasan a consecuencia de sus actividades ilícitas..
Ademas de que Ejercen un cacicazgo digno de reportajes a nivel nacional , pero como son gringos y tiene el respaldo del gobierno de USA que ejerce presión al gobierno de México para proteger y ayudar en todo a estas familias , nada les hacen y hacen lo que se les da la gana desde hace décadas en México."
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Y la información sigue fluyendo.
https://vanguardia.com.mx/…/javier-corral-acusado-de-proteg…

Re: Travel advisory [Re: LBI2SXM] #208801
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Cannot read Spanish. So what's your point??

Re: Travel advisory [Re: LBI2SXM] #208807
11/12/2019 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LBI2SXM
Cannot read Spanish. So what's your point??


Google translate can help, if you are interested.

First, murder is wrong.

My other point is, there is much more information available. Kind of a wider viewpoint. Apparently this is a little “range war” and has been going on for quite some time.

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Were the 30,000+killed in Mexico last year (reported) all killed in a "range war" ?


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Re: Travel advisory [Re: LBI2SXM] #208828
11/12/2019 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LBI2SXM
Cannot read Spanish. So what's your point??


The point is you are posting irrelevant misinformation (once again) which serves to only confuse others new to THIS forum, and waste our time responding to your rhetoric...
This is the Q Roo forum, you need to post these comments in relevant forums...

And I agree with Carol's statement and her question to you.


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[quote=

The point is you are posting irrelevant misinformation (once again) which serves to only confuse others new to THIS forum, and waste our time responding to your rhetoric...
This is the Q Roo forum, you need to post these comments in relevant forums...

And I agree with Carol's statement and her question to you.
[/quote]

I am so sorry to confuse others new to this forum like there are 100 posts on this forum every day! And where may I find a correct forum to post on Mexico? I have been down this road with both of you every time I post about crime in Mexico. I know where Q Roo is as I have been there many, many times. I do not have my head buried in the sand but it seems both of you do. Hey why not, you both own property there. I am not posting irrelevant misinformation that's your interpretation. And please do not comment on this post as I don't want to waste your time responding to my rhetoric...……...I am done here and I am glad you agree with Carol, after all, she is the administrator here.

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Originally Posted by 2fingers
Were the 30,000+killed in Mexico last year (reported) all killed in a "range war" ?


That is a gross, intentional, inflation and mischaracterization of my response to a specific post about a single incident.

Please, Take a moment, do translate some of the posted references and learn a little more.

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[/quote]I am so sorry to confuse others new to this forum like there are 100 posts on this forum every day! And where may I find a correct forum to post on Mexico? I have been down this road with both of you every time I post about crime in Mexico. I know where Q Roo is as I have been there many, many times. I do not have my head buried in the sand but it seems both of you do. Hey why not, you both own property there. I am not posting irrelevant misinformation that's your interpretation. And please do not comment on this post as I don't want to waste your time responding to my rhetoric...……...I am done here and I am glad you agree with Carol, after all, she is the administrator here.[/quote]

Great - I don't need to correct these comments then


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I think this one has gone as far as I will let it go..


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