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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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07/12/2020 12:50 PM
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Horizon have posted a video on their Facebook page about their current operations and they indicate a Nov 2 opening date.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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07/12/2020 01:23 PM
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The issue here is advance planning, or lack thereof. They cannot announce on Oct. 25 that American tourists can enter starting Nov. 1, with whatever restrictions are deemed necessary. They need to get their testing up and running, then announce by the end of July when different groups will be allowed in: work permit holders, right to reside, property owners, charterers, etc. Pending a Covid outbreak of other unforeseen circumstance, of course. If they already know that no how, no way will they allow anyone in before Jan. 1, then say that.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: Husker]
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07/13/2020 08:04 AM
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Moorings has not closed. However, I believe they have let go most of their BVI staff and crews. Some crews are basically stuck due to travel restrictions and remain living aboard. Moorings is still making monthly payments to their boat owners in spite of zero revenue. Fingers crossed BVI will open to tourists this fall. They let go 139 people at BVI base and are using charter credits to fund guaranteed owner payments...
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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07/15/2020 11:09 AM
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If TMM moves a boat to the USVI how are they moving it back? George A couple of local day charter companies have managed to obtain permission from the Government in the BVI and in the USVI to deliver boats between the two countries without them being required to go ashore or have any contact with people in the USVI or the BVI, depending on the final delivery destination. This allows them to return from the USVI to the BVI, or vice-versa, without the requirement to quarantine. When they do a delivery they supply the skipper and a mate for the yacht, they supply the chase boat and fuel for that and they take care of all of the clearance costs in both the BVI and USVI which represent $300.00 of the $1,800.00 total. $1500.00 is the actual delivery fee and covers the 3 people, chase boat and fuel. A couple of TMM boats are cruising in the USVI at this time. One is Sea Tiger, whose owner Deepcut, posts here often. A mutual friend is on Sea Tiger now, torturing many of us by posting his photos on FB.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: GeorgeC1]
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07/15/2020 02:27 PM
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Thanks for the info. Do you have the name of the delivery company. Are there any boat disinfecting requirements? George I believe Island Time is correct and I don't know about disinfecting procedures or requirements.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/10/2020 05:43 PM
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I am just looking at the site now from some time ago as I dropped my late June Charter in March. All this is very sad. I am so sorry for all of you that own property or boats. It is just as sad for all of those that want to vacation in BVI. I will not comment on the "issues" but I do believe it is time to open up globally. That is just my little Ol' Opinion.
For me I can only say that I will not charter till I see others doing so and no issues. I am sure many others in the "same boat". I can only hope for a V curve for opening and return to some sense of normality.
I want to get back to the BVI.
Dave
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/10/2020 10:08 PM
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$1100 to move a boat with Tendertoo
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/12/2020 08:28 AM
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Latest government update, which did very little, allowed a few more business openings but only for 4 hours per day. That is not a recipe for success. No idea when they expect to open for tourists nor do I expect an opening soon. Sad
Government workers are getting full pay. Most stay home. No pressure on them! No pressure to open either.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/12/2020 08:43 AM
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I wonder how sales of new charter boats are doing.
Having 2 major business interruption events in 2.5 years must be terrible for new boat sales.
I also wonder what provides more cash flow to the charter companies. The sale of the boats or the operation of a fleet.
Last edited by warren460; 09/12/2020 08:44 AM.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: DaveF]
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09/12/2020 09:55 AM
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For me I can only say that I will not charter till I see others doing so and no issues. I am sure many others in the "same boat". I can only hope for a V curve for opening and return to some sense of normality. If you want to sail the USVI is still open. And it's not shabby at all.
Life's short - sail more!
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
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09/12/2020 10:01 AM
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I wonder how sales of new charter boats are doing
When I ordered my new boat in July the wait time had gone from 15 months to about 5. That probably gives you a pretty good indication.
Life's short - sail more!
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
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09/12/2020 10:58 AM
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I wonder how sales of new charter boats are doing
When I ordered my new boat in July the wait time had gone from 15 months to about 5. That probably gives you a pretty good indication. A friend of mine ordered a Lagoon 50, not for charter, about 6 months ago. Delivery was originally scheduled for August 2021 and has now slipped to September 2021. Not a bad delay given all the chaos going on. I believe 50 ft and over Lagoons are made in a different factory from < 50 ft so perhaps that is the difference.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: Jeannius]
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09/12/2020 12:48 PM
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The Lagoon 50+ is made in Bordeaux.
Our Lagoon 50 is available for charter starting in November based in St Thomas USVI.
I agree that USVI is not too shabby.
Last edited by warren460; 09/12/2020 12:52 PM.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/12/2020 01:10 PM
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Moorings yacht sales are going very well and are in fact helping offset losses from guaranteed payment contracts.
M4000 "Lio Kai"
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: MrEZgoin]
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09/12/2020 01:30 PM
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Moorings yacht sales are going very well and are in fact helping offset losses from guaranteed payment contracts. As is the fact they held charterers money which keeps the scheme going...for now
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/12/2020 01:42 PM
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Bailau, that is a good point. At some point, that lost revenue needs to be made up. How will the charter companies dig themselves out of that hole? Some people lost their deposits, but what about the rescheduled charters?
If past is prelude, restaurants will raise their prices to try to recover. I fear we're in for interesting times.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: NWsailor]
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09/12/2020 04:22 PM
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Bailau, expect it to look like every other cash- or revenue-strapped business: deferred maintenance, cost-cutting big and small, reduced service. After Irma, no one went into this sitting on a pile of cash. I wonder what kind of financial shape the resorts are in.
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Re: Surviving Charter companies
[Re: sleepychef]
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11/18/2020 05:23 PM
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That's the problem... We cannot get a straight answer and when we pushed Boats at Sea for an answer that's when they went dark on us and we cannot get any feedback from Lady Fiona!
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