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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
[Re: Canadianeh]
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12/14/2013 08:05 PM
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Sorry for your bad experience, amongst other difficulties and losses, how hard was it to replace passports to get out?
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/16/2013 10:28 AM
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It's Mexico...this is not shocking news. We had items stolen from us twenty years ago at our hotel while staying in Cancun. At least you did not get caught in a cross fire from rival drug gangs.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/16/2013 11:14 AM
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Anonymous said: It's Mexico...this is not shocking news. We had items stolen from us twenty years ago at our hotel while staying in Cancun. At least you did not get caught in a cross fire from rival drug gangs. Oh boy! Here we go. <img src="http://www.traveltalkonline.com/forums/images/graemlins/duh.gif" alt="" /> Please don't paint the entire country with one brush.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/27/2013 10:37 PM
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/28/2013 11:31 AM
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Bill_S said: One more reason to NEVER set foot in Mexico, sigh.... Yes, I agree. Avoid it at all cost until they stop taking the tourist's dollar for granted. Boycott Mexico, and hit them where it hurts. Only then, will things change.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/28/2013 01:45 PM
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That is as ridiculous as telling foreigners to stay away from Walt Disney World and the Grand Canyon because of the crime rate in Detroit. We live in Mexico during the winter. Favorite question: "Is it nice where you go?" See map hereZihuatanejo is mentioned by the way.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/28/2013 02:57 PM
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bugambilias said: That is as ridiculous as telling foreigners to stay away from Walt Disney World and the Grand Canyon because of the crime rate in Detroit. Not exactly. Tourists (rightly) like to feel that they are in some way benefitting an area by visiting it and spending their hard-earned tourist dollars there. In return, they hope for a few sensible precautions - like a room safe in every room, like hotel managers who care, like staff who are trustworthy. If they don't get that experience, they don't go back. Even worse, they tell other people why they won't go back. That's why a lot of us have already crossed Mexico off our lists.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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mayaflya said: Tiger, I think you are missing Bug's point, he's saying that you shouldn't judge an entire country by a bad experience in one area of it. Detroit vs Florida/Arizona. We travel often to Mexico and apparently experience it and it's people quite differently than you do. I disagree. Detroit is not advertised as a tourist destination. The area in Mexico is advertised as a tourist destination. If invited as a tourist, and staying at a property as a paying guest in another country, one expects and should demand a certain amout of security...just as they would in Disney(tourist destination). Mexico tourist destinations are being targeted by criminals and invited guests are victims...and the problem is not being addressed. If this happened at Disney, the problem would be addressed immediately. I find the comparison rediculous and nonsensical.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/29/2013 04:56 PM
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In the debate on immigration reform in the US, the facts on safety in Mexico have become a casualty of politics. To change public opinion and policy, politicians sometimes throw fuel on the fire. If you make up an exciting story about "severed heads in the desert", it gets a lot of attention and people believe it. The homicide rates below are facts from the FBI, not political fabrications. Dayton Ohio has a violent crime rate almost double that of the rest of the US and 1 in 212 people are resistered sex offenders. Do we say that everyone should move from Ohio or withhold purchases and travel? Certainly not. We just stay away from the troubled areas. Don't go to Cedar Point until Dayton does something about that crime rate! Sounds pretty silly right? Parts of Mexico are very troubled other parts are just fine. It's a big country.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
[Re: bugambilias]
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12/29/2013 05:50 PM
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bugambilias said:In the debate on immigration reform in the US, the facts on safety in Mexico have become a casualty of politics. To change public opinion and policy, politicians sometimes throw fuel on the fire. If you make up an exciting story about "severed heads in the desert", it gets a lot of attention and people believe it. The homicide rates below are facts from the FBI, not political fabrications. Dayton Ohio has a violent crime rate almost double that of the rest of the US and 1 in 212 people are resistered sex offenders. Do we say that everyone should move from Ohio or withhold purchases and travel? Certainly not. We just stay away from the troubled areas. Don't go to Cedar Point until Dayton does something about that crime rate! Sounds pretty silly right? Parts of Mexico are very troubled other parts are just fine. It's a big country. But we're not talking about murder, we're talking about everyday thefts from tourists - thefts which ruin their holidays.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
[Re: Canadianeh]
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12/29/2013 09:09 PM
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Canadianeh said:
Mexico is off my list - unless I get a clear sign that they have done something about it but that will not likely happen. If you had written "Zipolite is off my list" I would wholeheartedly concur...I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that Mexico is a BIG country. Just as Canada and the USA are. You are, of course, welcome to take it off your list for whatever reason you like. I am sympathetic to the poor treatment you received, and regret that it happened.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
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12/30/2013 11:01 AM
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I love that graphic. Reminds me of the old axiom: "lies, damned lies, and statistics". Yes, the murder rate for Mexico overall and Mexico City are lower than some cities in the US, but this graphic is massively misleading. It is meant to make the point that you should not paint the entire country with a single brush. But, it does so by painting the US with a single brush. They compared the national and one city's homicide rate to that of the cities in the US with the highest homicide rates. It's also not accurate in some places.
If we want to be fair, let's compare apples to apples here. The 2011 homicide rate for Mexico was 20 per 100,000, which is over 4 times the US rate of 4.7 per 100,000. While, some cities in the US have murder rates pretty high, in a list of the 50 most dangerous cities in the world, 5 of the top 10 are in Mexico. Yes, New Orleans has been pretty bad at 57.88 (2011, worst in US), how about Acapulco at 127.92 or Juarez at 147.77.
Worst of all, this comparison focuses on murder rates. Now, I'm certainly not wanting to get murdered, but I figure the chance I will get caught in the drug crossfire in Cancun or Zipolite is minuscule (but there is no way I'm going to Acapulco). What I worry about more is theft, since that's much more likely, and was the catalyst for this conversation. We just went to Paris and you have to watch constantly for pickpockets and other pretty crime. The tiny murder rate in France certainly does not reflect how much of a problem that is. I could not find statistics on petty crime by cities, but I'm sure even Cancun dwarfs the stats in most US cities. I'm not going anywhere in Mexico that does not have a safe in the room.
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Re: Thieves in Mexico - Hotel Nude
[Re: chazo]
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12/30/2013 11:23 AM
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All right, folks, I think both sides have made their point and this type of discussion leads the way most crime discussions do--around in the same circle, always leading to nowhere.
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